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  1. #32671
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Alaha Vellonnu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deveryn View Post
    Finally, an intrepid healer waltzed off the edge on the first Apokalypsis.
    I had a blm yesterday that did the same thing. It was ok, he just wanted to go to infinity and the great beyond, but the great beyond repeatedly returned him.
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    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  2. #32672
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    Snorky's Avatar
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    Akiimi Akagane
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    Just tried to run ala migho I have done this several times when we get to the trash pack that the tank pulls into a room he stops agro'ing and the healer stops healing we all died the second time on the same room I died then the other dps died I figure they are griefing at this point. So left, I don't have time to figure out what their problem is but it's sad and pretty bad that you choose to grief people in a dungeon.
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  3. #32673
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    How are you finding time to watch what others are doing in a dungeon while playing? Hmm? How do you know the BLM is the lowest DPS in the group?
    Once half of your gameplay has developed muscle memory, it's fairly easy to watch/observe another player while still taking care of your business.

    Enmity order list tells us 'roughly' how big or small the damage each player is putting out. It doesn't tell you the exact number, but it does tell you who's higher and/or lower; this is especially true for DPS jobs and gets blurry on off-tank/healer jobs. Having a BLM sitting on 8th is a major red flag that they're doing something very wrong. Ask ourselves: how is it a BLM doing the least damage? *cough*

    Quote Originally Posted by Eien713 View Post
    This actually bothers me more than I'd like it to. A lot of people have tunnel vision and don't look around them to see what's happening. I can understand new players being overwhelmed, but after playing the game for a while, surely you can observe your surroundings a bit and sometimes adjust to what's going on.
    Even worse? Few times you'll get that funny individual who start to gaslight you with "What kind of 'thing' you're using to know what I'm doing???"-card the moment you express your superior observation capability
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  4. #32674
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Once half of your gameplay has developed muscle memory, it's fairly easy to watch/observe another player while still taking care of your business

    Enmity order list tells us 'roughly' how big or small the damage each player is putting out. It doesn't tell you the exact number, but it does tell you who's higher and/or lower; this is especially true for DPS jobs and gets blurry on off-tank/healer jobs. Having a BLM sitting on 8th is a major red flag that they're doing something very wrong. Ask ourselves: how is it a BLM doing the least damage? *cough*



    Even worse? Few times you'll get that funny individual who start to gaslight you with "What kind of 'thing' you're using to know what I'm doing???"-card the moment you express your superior observation capability
    Well it must be muscle memory then. I just never watch what others are doing other than moving in and out of aoe, or what the bad guy is casting. But then it takes me a while to remember a fight.

    Plus I'm not familiar with BLM spells or abilities. I am still learning all the aspects of this game I didn't mean to come off as snotty.
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    Last edited by Snorky; 10-21-2021 at 01:44 AM. Reason: Addition too
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  5. #32675
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    Packetdancer's Avatar
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    Khit Amariyo
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    Is it bad that I'm finding ShB's leveling dungeons difficult as a healer? My gear is 400~ and thereabouts, and tank tried to wall-to-wall in my first Dohn Mheg. Didn't go too well. I feel like I failed everyone. :T
    Aside from the fact that leveling dungeons hit harder than level-cap dungeons (for mathematical reasons relating to how gear works in this game, but which are Not Relevant to This Discussion, thus which I shall spare you), Dohn Mheg hits harder than most if the tank and/or DPS are unaware of certain things.

    Specifically, the Fuath mobs before the first boss (and the one before the second, when he stops running on ahead of you) will tether to a mob and start a cast. (With the blinky "this can be interrupted" cast bar indicator.) If that cast is not interrupted (by a tank or ranged DPS), the mob they're tethered to will get a buff which can be very painful. Worse still, in the first chunk prior to the boss, the mob that gets buffed is the Basket, who has an attack ("Straight Punch") which is basically a mini-tankbuster. If buffed by the Fuath, that can verge on being a normal tankbuster, which is not a thing most people expect to encounter unexpectedly mid-trash-pull. And if you wall-to-wall up to the first boss, there will be a Fuath (and a basket to be buffed) in both pulls.

    If the Fuath is interrupted, Dohn Mheg doesn't really hit any harder than any other leveling dungeon (which, mind you, still will hit harder than level-cap dungeons, due to the aforementioned "Because Math"). And if not interrupted, a skilled healer who knows that stuff's there can probably adjust for it, but I have seen many, many a healer caught entirely by surprise by how hard a pull hits in there if that interrupt doesn't happen.

    So if the Fuath wasn't interrupted, honestly, a bad Dohn Mheg wall-to-wall may not be the healer's fault. Or at least, not entirely on the healer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
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  6. #32676
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna View Post
    Now generally speaking #8 on hate list should be thee off tank (depends on stance or not) or a healer
    Brief digression, but I would actually disagree with this; I'd far rather see the off-tank at #2 on the list than #8 when it comes to aggro. I mean, obviously it's not necessary that the off-tank be #2 on the hate list in all fights, of course, but I feel like half of the trick of off-tanking well is making sure that you stay at #2 without ripping aggro away. Whether this is by toggling stance off sometimes to let the main tank maintain lead, or by Shirking onto the main tank periodically, or whatever.

    Because if the main tank goes down, I feel like things should ideally fall to the off-tank naturally, rather than the boss stomping off to eat a healer or DPS before being Provoked back. Plus, there are mechanics (albeit generally only in higher-end content like extremes or savage) where things will target the first two on the aggro table for tankbusters; if #2 on the aggro list is a DPS when you hit one of those, that's a DPS who's probably about to have a very bad day.

    The off-tank being at #2 on the aggro table is a habit that isn't always necessary, but generally won't be detrimental. Whereas the off-tank being at #8 on the aggro table is a habit that can lead to some Really Unfortunate Scenarios in certain fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer
    The healer main's struggle for pants is both real, and unending. Be strong, sister. #GiveUsMorePants2k20 #HealersNotRevealers #RandomOtherSleepDeprivedHashtagsHere
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  7. #32677
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    #8 is the dude who just died, is perpetually dead, or, if nobody died, they are doing something really wrong (in the average party).
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 10-21-2021 at 02:12 AM.
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  8. #32678
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    Ivan Moondiver
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    Brief digression, but I would actually disagree with this; I'd far rather see the off-tank at #2 on the list than #8 when it comes to aggro. I mean, obviously it's not necessary that the off-tank be #2 on the hate list in all fights, of course, but I feel like half of the trick of off-tanking well is making sure that you stay at #2 without ripping aggro away. Whether this is by toggling stance off sometimes to let the main tank maintain lead, or by Shirking onto the main tank periodically, or whatever.

    Because if the main tank goes down, I feel like things should ideally fall to the off-tank naturally, rather than the boss stomping off to eat a healer or DPS before being Provoked back. Plus, there are mechanics (albeit generally only in higher-end content like extremes or savage) where things will target the first two on the aggro table for tankbusters; if #2 on the aggro list is a DPS when you hit one of those, that's a DPS who's probably about to have a very bad day.

    The off-tank being at #2 on the aggro table is a habit that isn't always necessary, but generally won't be detrimental. Whereas the off-tank being at #8 on the aggro table is a habit that can lead to some Really Unfortunate Scenarios in certain fights.
    Full agree
    It is always recommended off tank being the 2nd
    The amount of times I died as Ninja in trials because the MT dies right before the boss whips a full tankbuster is... plenty enough lol.
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  9. #32679
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    How are you finding time to watch what others are doing in a dungeon while playing? Hmm? How do you know the BLM is the lowest DPS in the group?
    Mostly because it's Syrcus Tower but also because I was playing AST so I do look at who is higher on the threat list to determine who is going to make the best use of my cards. When I see the BLM is consistently #8 on threat that lets me pick up on the fact that something is wrong, then it's just a matter of looking at the party list and see that his cast bar was Blizzard spam.
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  10. #32680
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorky View Post
    Plus I'm not familiar with BLM spells or abilities. I am still learning all the aspects of this game I didn't mean to come off as snotty.
    My apologies if that second half of my reply to Eien713 sounded like calling you out---I was not. I was just chiming in one of those times I DO see those snotty behavior in DFs, NRs & ARs in particular.
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    Now staying on topic...
    Frontline Roulette. With moogle tomestone event on effect, queues are getting more active than ever. In one of my Seal Rock match yesterday a rando from different party called out the dead pokeballing BRD in my group for "afking leech."

    So that's actually possible? I asked myself... either way, the AST in my group was the first and was so adamant to defend this BRD to extremities. About 5 minutes into the match however somebody else initiated vote kick and it passed.

    I hope that was a legit pokeball, but if that wasn't... then.. just wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Packetdancer View Post
    Brief digression, but I would actually disagree with this; I'd far rather see the off-tank at #2 on the list than #8 when it comes to aggro. I mean, obviously it's not necessary that the off-tank be #2 on the hate list in all fights, of course, but I feel like half of the trick of off-tanking well is making sure that you stay at #2 without ripping aggro away. Whether this is by toggling stance off sometimes to let the main tank maintain lead, or by Shirking onto the main tank periodically, or whatever.

    Because if the main tank goes down, I feel like things should ideally fall to the off-tank naturally, rather than the boss stomping off to eat a healer or DPS before being Provoked back. Plus, there are mechanics (albeit generally only in higher-end content like extremes or savage) where things will target the first two on the aggro table for tankbusters; if #2 on the aggro list is a DPS when you hit one of those, that's a DPS who's probably about to have a very bad day.

    The off-tank being at #2 on the aggro table is a habit that isn't always necessary, but generally won't be detrimental. Whereas the off-tank being at #8 on the aggro table is a habit that can lead to some Really Unfortunate Scenarios in certain fights.
    Now if only those pugs tanks in DRn recognizes this... >.> No helping that though, it's content that rewards omnirole-capability.
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    Last edited by Rein_eon_Osborne; 10-21-2021 at 06:29 AM.

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