It's time to hire dedicated Tank an Healer devs!

[ItMe]

There was a quote somewhere and I'm paraphrasing from memory:

A complaint is an extremely important thing. People who are upset and don't care just walk away angry. If someone is willing to give constructive criticism, it shows they still care about the product.

Are you sure you meant to respond to me?
I don't understand how this is a... response(?) to what you quoted.

To chop the convo down to a few sentences, someone said:

most players hate the current setup.

I said

"Most players" are silent on the issue and we cannot speak for them.

Yeah, people often complain because they care... but how is that relevant? You offer that like it refutes something.

[Deveryn]

If you're a long-time player though, and specially a healer main, you already heard the "just wait for the expac drop" a few times, just to be disappointed over and over again. Then you hear "oh no, just wait for x.1!", after that it's "they'll fix next expac". So please, if you don't follow the discussion of this community over the years, I would get off your high horse. Many people here have their own reason to be a bit over-the-edge regarding healer issues.

How am I the one on a high-horse, when you're the one citing your time playing? You're the one dismissing an opinion. Like I said, I've played these games enough. I've also had a lot of good discussions about development and gained a lot of insight. Just because I wasn't here the whole time doesn't give you the right to act that way. Miss me with that elitist bs.

'm just saying I need more context for your side to make any kind of sense to me or even some of the team.

Yeah, people often complain because they care... but how is that relevant? You offer that like it refutes something.

When you care, it's more of a constructive feedback that time is put into assembling. These are complaints because people have been around and feel entitled to something.

[ItMe]

When you care, it's more of a constructive feedback that time is put into assembling. These are complaints because people have been around and feel entitled to something.

Yeah, complaints have value.
But that doesn't mean the conlmplainers can pretend theirs is the voice of the majority. Citing discord groups as one of the primary sources should have been the first red flag that the sample is flawed.

[Melorie]

How am I the one on a high-horse, when you're the one citing your time playing? You're the one dismissing an opinion. Like I said, I've played these games enough. I've also had a lot of good discussions about development and gained a lot of insight. Just because I wasn't here the whole time doesn't give you the right to act that way. Miss me with that elitist bs.

'm just saying I need more context for your side to make any kind of sense to me or even some of the team.

I'm not being elitist by any means. You haven't experienced the history of this role so of course you don't understand it. I'm just saying that some people here have their own reasons to feel this way because of how this role has been treated over the years, and acting like they're being entitled just because the dev team has dropped the ball over and over again with the healer role is unfair. You could always go to the healers forum and read the post over the years, the suggestions, the lengthy discussions instead of just telling people to "wait for the expac, stop being entitled, i'm certain they'll fix things, you clearly don't understand the devs".

When you play a class that you love and that over the years have been constantly having their tools being stripped off, without having them replaced by anything at all and that rewards you with spamming one button the better you master it, you might understand how people feel about that, until then I doubt you have the right to call anyone entitled.

Yeah, complaints have value.
But that doesn't mean the conlmplainers can pretend theirs is the voice of the majority. Citing discord groups as one of the primary sources should have been the first red flag that the sample is flawed.

Over the years, the healer discussion has just grow. If you access the section in the forums, the reddit, the discords... Even in the media tour, there was (finally) questions about it. So yeah, of course some portion of the player base don't really access these places and have nothing to say, just like they had nothing to say at 2.x, 3.x, 4.x and so it goes. Some people aren't really into discussing these things, others don't really care about it deeply (I have a friend that play as healer and agrees with their problems, but he loves the aesthetic and since he doesn't do that much content every day, he never really thinks too much about it), I bet that some wouldn't even care that much if something changed (specially since we're talking about spamming 1 button) and might even notice if they felt something about it at all after this particular change - but regardless of all that, when you're speaking of an MMO it would be hard to gather the true data that these discussions needs. This isn't just for the healer issue, but for all the possible issues the game has and will have.

That doesn't really make the discussion less important, though. That doesn't mean that people saying that this is a serious issue don't have a point just because you don't have 80% of the playerbase talking it in the same place.

[ItMe]

- but regardless of all that, when you're speaking of an MMO it would be hard to gather the true data that these discussions needs. This isn't just for the healer issue, but for all the possible issues the game has and will have.

Exactly~
That's why I found their comment so egregious and strange.

[Deveryn]

I'm not being elitist by any means. You haven't experienced the history of this role so of course you don't understand it. I'm just saying that some people here have their own reasons to feel this way because of how this role has been treated over the years, and acting like they're being entitled just because the dev team has dropped the ball over and over again with the healer role. You could always go to the healers forum and read the post over the years, the suggestions, the lengthy discussions instead of just telling people to "wait for the expac, stop being entitled, i'm certain they'll fix things, you clearly don't understand the devs".

When you play a class that you love and that over the years have been constantly having their tools being stripped off, without having them replaced by anything at all and that rewards you with spamming one button the better you master it, you might understand how people feel about that, until then I doubt you have the right to call anyone entitled.

I understand a lot more than you give me credit for, but please carry on, put more words in my mouth and continue to prove my point. You'd rather argue and criticize me than get your issue solved. Please continue on your own, since you seem to have my side of the convo handled as well.