Lamia NN: Repeated Harassments by One Player

[JuliusRath]

First of all, I'm sorry that they felt the need to leave. It goes into a lot of the problem we face with this. It frustrates both sprouts and mentors, and pushes away new players or returning players from seeking help in the community chat specifically made for just that. I hope they are having fun with the game in their new home.

I personally haven't confirmed the mentor account. But I wouldn't put it past him. We've had sympathizers, or people that aren't in the loop kick mentors. It's unfortunate because the system is designed to punish them more than the harasser.

[CritiZin]

First of all, I'm sorry that they felt the need to leave. It goes into a lot of the problem we face with this. It frustrates both sprouts and mentors, and pushes away new players or returning players from seeking help in the community chat specifically made for just that. I hope they are having fun with the game in their new home.

I personally haven't confirmed the mentor account. But I wouldn't put it past him. We've had sympathizers, or people that aren't in the loop kick mentors. It's unfortunate because the system is designed to punish them more than the harasser.

I kick this guy from the NN on sight, even if he wasnt a total toxic troll with his words, his usernames are bad enough to warrant kicks... Sadly it usually ends up with another mentor kicking me. tbh i think im almost done with this nonsense id rather just pay the money and go play on another server whos NN isnt a total cesspool. This guys bad but i can deal with him by kicking him on sight, But Lamia honestly has some of the lowest quality mentors i've ever seen sad really.

[ICountFrom0]

I kick this guy from the NN on sight, even if he wasnt a total toxic troll with his words, his usernames are bad enough to warrant kicks... Sadly it usually ends up with another mentor kicking me. tbh i think im almost done with this nonsense id rather just pay the money and go play on another server whos NN isnt a total cesspool. This guys bad but i can deal with him by kicking him on sight, But Lamia honestly has some of the lowest quality mentors i've ever seen sad really.

That mentor that kicks you, well, he claims it's his girlfriend, but it's pretty sure just another set of bots that just happened to jump through the mentor hoops, notice that most of the time it's an account that has never said anything the entire time?

[CritiZin]

That mentor that kicks you, well, he claims it's his girlfriend, but it's pretty sure just another set of bots that just happened to jump through the mentor hoops, notice that most of the time it's an account that has never said anything the entire time?

10000% this guy doesn't have a girlfriend. i have written down all the mentors that have kicked me after spam kicking him one was from another world server that left instantly after kicking me, another one is just one of those low quality mentors i was talking about and then ya the latest one is the one im assuming he said was his GF. tbh i might just start kicking those people on sight too.

[Nogchamp]

Heyo peeps, I have been paying attention to this thread since its creation and decided to get involved with the discussion due to the fact that the thread is old and alot as occured since then with the sprouts, mentors, and GMs alike. Back when this begun to become a large issue with the involved individuals that continued to repeat the same offence in Lamia's NN, a group of myself and other mentors (that wanted to help keep the said chat clean, helpful and more chill in regards to new players) created an open linkshell in order to remedy most of those issues. At first it was a bumpy situation due to who we should allow in it to help and just decided to let it be open for all communication even with said mentors that were new and did not understand how the system worked for reports, kicks, and properly showing new players the ropes without pressuring them. As the linkshell grew to almost max, at this point we had a regular system and reported each kick as is required with Tos to help better the server. Obviously this came with its own set of problems were mentors were 50/50 on how they wanted things due to personal bias or just not wanting to get involved out of fairness and refused to take part in helping per how the GMs and Tos insists for ingame etiquette. Eventually after many reports and issued kicks from the said individual this sums it up.

1. Individual was misunderstood but also dug themselves a hole due to reacting constantly and letting there personal bias create a stigma against them from past personal issues with players on Lamia. Also not knowing what should and shouldnt be talked about in NN even after the recent Tos Revisement.
2. It has created a situation amongst some of the mentors in NN and Lamia in general to make a scapegoat to flex there power or create a couple alts here and there to keep the fire burning in NN, even after the individual has been removed and kicked.

Eventually after discussions with GMs over many months -_- the situation was resolved and things were subtle for only 1 month in NN over a 4 year period of this continuing until the individual decided to come back on another account and start anew. At first it was just fine and the individual was staying calm in NN and helping new players with the occasional IRL topic that stayed Civil for the time being, After sometime more old players and returners that didnt understand the situation began stirring the pot by adding drama and calling the player out by who they were known for in NN from past issues etc.

[Nogchamp]

This led to the recurring issue again with said individual taking it personal and continued discussing non-civil and uncomfortable topics while the mentors and other trolls in chat, adding to the fire until a kick was warranted. Every time a kick is issued a report is sent in with GMs and it is recommended to follow up with them as well with another report to discuss the issue. GMs over this past year have constantly went back and forth on what mentors should do in terms of using our best judgment in a situation ingame. The following example shown below is one of these.

1. Follow-up on if kick evasion is a warranted reason to kick or remove a player from novice network was given permission by GMs at one point to some mentors, if the said player admitted to being the same player that was just kicked "but only" if they were still persisting with the same said topic or discussion that originally issued a (kick/report) will the kick be warranted again.

Due to the constant influx of new, returning, and old mentors coming and going in NN. the situation seems to never improve either from confusion of the situation, not caring enough to reach out to a GM for clarification "but saying they did" or taking the words of some GMs the wrong way and making up there own conclusion, which ultimately leads to a mentor in NN kicking on sight or powertripping. Regardless of the situation Lamia is considered one of the best servers still on Primal due to its helpfulness with many of the amazing mentors that want to really get involved. Sadly some of the more "salted" mentors or players on our world i should say like to cause drama and watch the chat burn for there own entertainment than actually wanting to help moderate and create a better chat environment, while also calling out amazing and helpful mentors for "taking the game to serious" or "caring to much". On that note, i have brought this situation to Reddit in the past not long ago to only be met with personal bias and flaming when most of us want the system changed overall come EW for the better. Being involved with this situation on my part as a long time player that has mentored others over the past since 3.2 when mentors were introduced, has made it difficult to resolve because of being a content creator for FF14 while also running my own discord community alongside our FC family Ingame, has made me a target for alot of poor individuals Ingame that im forced to ignore and BL. The situation with mentors at the moment is in a very fragile position due to very little GM involvement in NN and has been discussed amongst not only myself with other streamers but by many in the community that want it changed to help better the toxicity that arises consistently. Being told to BL and let them handle a problem ingame has had provided little to NO changes especially over this past year.

[Verthande]

10000% this guy doesn't have a girlfriend. i have written down all the mentors that have kicked me after spam kicking him one was from another world server that left instantly after kicking me, another one is just one of those low quality mentors i was talking about and then ya the latest one is the one im assuming he said was his GF. tbh i might just start kicking those people on sight too.

This is an example of just one of the many mentors that players have taken issue with on Lamia. This person is openly admitting to kicking people on-sight just because they feel slighted and has offered no reason for their kicks besides, what amounts to, that they don't like the person.

I'll list a few of the issues that I'd had since I came back on a new character in April (retired my old one who was, believe it or not, the second ever Mentor on Lamia.)

1. Someone was having a discussion about something and mentioned something about a scientific theory and a scientific Law as being the same thing and as being an interchangeable term. I spoke up and politely (I have the screenshots) interjected that a theory is prescriptive and hasn't been proven but a Law is descriptive and is repeatable using the Scientific Method. A mentor (not the one I'm replying to) proceeded to call me stupid, uneducated, and encouraged no less than four other players to dogpile on me before culminating in them kicking me for "nuisance behavior." I reported them and came back into chat again 30 minutes later and asked them what I did wrong and I was told that I "must be autistic or something" if I was "still butthurt" about that and received another dogpile before another kick for "nuisance behavior." I had reported and came back another 30 minutes later and before I could even say anything (someone must've set a timer or something,) I was kicked again without a single word.

[UncannyThreat]

That mentor that kicks you, well, he claims it's his girlfriend, but it's pretty sure just another set of bots that just happened to jump through the mentor hoops, notice that most of the time it's an account that has never said anything the entire time?

10000% this guy doesn't have a girlfriend. i have written down all the mentors that have kicked me after spam kicking him one was from another world server that left instantly after kicking me, another one is just one of those low quality mentors i was talking about and then ya the latest one is the one im assuming he said was his GF. tbh i might just start kicking those people on sight too.

Lets put aside the fact that you are engaging in targeted harassment and openly admitting it here in the official forums, but on what basis do you make these claims, both of you?

[localareanetwork]

I kick this guy from the NN on sight, even if he wasnt a total toxic troll with his words, his usernames are bad enough to warrant kicks... Sadly it usually ends up with another mentor kicking me. tbh i think im almost done with this nonsense id rather just pay the money and go play on another server whos NN isnt a total cesspool. This guys bad but i can deal with him by kicking him on sight, But Lamia honestly has some of the lowest quality mentors i've ever seen sad really.

Oh hey, you're that coward that kicked me randomly and then left novice network before you could be confronted about it. So your post on "low quality mentors" is ironic and I agree you should leave Lamia.