Lamia NN: Repeated Harassments by One Player

[Nogchamp]

Heyo peeps, I have been paying attention to this thread since its creation and decided to get involved with the discussion due to the fact that the thread is old and alot as occured since then with the sprouts, mentors, and GMs alike. Back when this begun to become a large issue with the involved individuals that continued to repeat the same offence in Lamia's NN, a group of myself and other mentors (that wanted to help keep the said chat clean, helpful and more chill in regards to new players) created an open linkshell in order to remedy most of those issues. At first it was a bumpy situation due to who we should allow in it to help and just decided to let it be open for all communication even with said mentors that were new and did not understand how the system worked for reports, kicks, and properly showing new players the ropes without pressuring them. As the linkshell grew to almost max, at this point we had a regular system and reported each kick as is required with Tos to help better the server. Obviously this came with its own set of problems were mentors were 50/50 on how they wanted things due to personal bias or just not wanting to get involved out of fairness and refused to take part in helping per how the GMs and Tos insists for ingame etiquette. Eventually after many reports and issued kicks from the said individual this sums it up.

1. Individual was misunderstood but also dug themselves a hole due to reacting constantly and letting there personal bias create a stigma against them from past personal issues with players on Lamia. Also not knowing what should and shouldnt be talked about in NN even after the recent Tos Revisement.
2. It has created a situation amongst some of the mentors in NN and Lamia in general to make a scapegoat to flex there power or create a couple alts here and there to keep the fire burning in NN, even after the individual has been removed and kicked.

Eventually after discussions with GMs over many months -_- the situation was resolved and things were subtle for only 1 month in NN over a 4 year period of this continuing until the individual decided to come back on another account and start anew. At first it was just fine and the individual was staying calm in NN and helping new players with the occasional IRL topic that stayed Civil for the time being, After sometime more old players and returners that didnt understand the situation began stirring the pot by adding drama and calling the player out by who they were known for in NN from past issues etc.

[Verthande]

10000% this guy doesn't have a girlfriend. i have written down all the mentors that have kicked me after spam kicking him one was from another world server that left instantly after kicking me, another one is just one of those low quality mentors i was talking about and then ya the latest one is the one im assuming he said was his GF. tbh i might just start kicking those people on sight too.

This is an example of just one of the many mentors that players have taken issue with on Lamia. This person is openly admitting to kicking people on-sight just because they feel slighted and has offered no reason for their kicks besides, what amounts to, that they don't like the person.

I'll list a few of the issues that I'd had since I came back on a new character in April (retired my old one who was, believe it or not, the second ever Mentor on Lamia.)

1. Someone was having a discussion about something and mentioned something about a scientific theory and a scientific Law as being the same thing and as being an interchangeable term. I spoke up and politely (I have the screenshots) interjected that a theory is prescriptive and hasn't been proven but a Law is descriptive and is repeatable using the Scientific Method. A mentor (not the one I'm replying to) proceeded to call me stupid, uneducated, and encouraged no less than four other players to dogpile on me before culminating in them kicking me for "nuisance behavior." I reported them and came back into chat again 30 minutes later and asked them what I did wrong and I was told that I "must be autistic or something" if I was "still butthurt" about that and received another dogpile before another kick for "nuisance behavior." I had reported and came back another 30 minutes later and before I could even say anything (someone must've set a timer or something,) I was kicked again without a single word.

[UncannyThreat]

That mentor that kicks you, well, he claims it's his girlfriend, but it's pretty sure just another set of bots that just happened to jump through the mentor hoops, notice that most of the time it's an account that has never said anything the entire time?

10000% this guy doesn't have a girlfriend. i have written down all the mentors that have kicked me after spam kicking him one was from another world server that left instantly after kicking me, another one is just one of those low quality mentors i was talking about and then ya the latest one is the one im assuming he said was his GF. tbh i might just start kicking those people on sight too.

Lets put aside the fact that you are engaging in targeted harassment and openly admitting it here in the official forums, but on what basis do you make these claims, both of you?

[localareanetwork]

I kick this guy from the NN on sight, even if he wasnt a total toxic troll with his words, his usernames are bad enough to warrant kicks... Sadly it usually ends up with another mentor kicking me. tbh i think im almost done with this nonsense id rather just pay the money and go play on another server whos NN isnt a total cesspool. This guys bad but i can deal with him by kicking him on sight, But Lamia honestly has some of the lowest quality mentors i've ever seen sad really.

Oh hey, you're that coward that kicked me randomly and then left novice network before you could be confronted about it. So your post on "low quality mentors" is ironic and I agree you should leave Lamia.

[Ars_Magna]

I kick this guy from the NN on sight, even if he wasnt a total toxic troll with his words, his usernames are bad enough to warrant kicks... Sadly it usually ends up with another mentor kicking me. tbh i think im almost done with this nonsense id rather just pay the money and go play on another server whos NN isnt a total cesspool. This guys bad but i can deal with him by kicking him on sight, But Lamia honestly has some of the lowest quality mentors i've ever seen sad really.

"Lamia honestly has some of the lowest quality mentors i've ever seen"
Ironic, coming from you. You have next to nothing whatsoever to offer to sprouts as a mentor. You have barely even played the game. You have no jobs leveled, and only a narrow range of experience with the game itself. You are completely unqualified to mentor anyone in this game. The only thing you've done with the crown is to kick people, and in your paranoia you have been kicking more than just your target's supposed alts, you've kicked randoms more than once. You need to chill out.

There are some really good folks around the Lamia Novice Network, but frankly you get in the way every time you appear. The instant you arrive, everyone's experience becomes worse, immediately. You are not supposed to be there to act solely as a mini-moderator, you are supposed to be there to help sprouts and participate in the community.

I've seen you post on Reddit in similar ways, I think you really just need to distance yourself from this game for a while, I don't think you will feel better by just transferring worlds, though I think it would help with Lamia's situation in the Novice Network. Your attitude is so bad it got you permanently banned from League of Legends. I pray that it does not come to that here, as well.

[ICountFrom0]

the "low quality" probably isn't the troll, the mentor alt they use tends to be hidden, either off on another server, or by not talking ever...

Keep track of the other 2 though... and try having a nice private talk with the other mentor, maybe show them to the forum and this topic.

[Verthande]

2. Sprout A and sprout B were having a discussion about a topic and sprout A said something about the Trans Community and sprout C admitted that they were Trans and would appreciate them not speaking for them as what they were saying didn't represent their views and experience. Sprout A went OFF on sprout C and was claiming that C was just trying to start drama so C posted a picture of their hormone meds. A outright said to C that they still didn't believe them and that they were "just claiming to be trans to start s___." At this point, myself and several other sprouts were speaking up in defense of C and asking for any mentor (many of which had just mysteriously gone silent even though they were talking just minutes before) to do something about sprout A. I was one of the people that was speaking up and asking for A to stop...a mentor kicked me for "drama and nuisance behavior." No one else got kicked...sprout A didn't get kicked. 30 minutes later, I came back and was immediately kicked without a word for "starts drama and past nuisance behavior." 30 minutes later...kicked again immediately upon entering NN and without a word from anyone. THE NEXT DAY my FC leader pulls me aside and said that people have messaged them about me starting drama in the NN and it looks bad for the FC. I explained to them the situation and even offered to show them the screenshots...nope...I was told that I either have to stop starting and participating in drama in the NN or I had to leave the FC. This event caused my S/O to basically quit the game in literal tears and I have to BEG them to play with me and they only do maybe once or twice a month and never for longer than an hour.

3. People were having an argument when I'd logged on. Someone on my friendlist saw me log in and said, "oh hey ____," in NN to welcome me online for the day. I responded, "Hello there," and was immediately kicked by a mentor for, "causing drama and past nuisance behavior." I was kicked 30 minutes later when I came back to the NN and asked, "Hey, why was I kicked?" Other people spoke up and also asked and said I didn't do anything but instead of an apology or even a response...I was kicked again for "attempting to start drama and past nuisance behavior." 30 minutes later...guess what happened, again.

There have been MANY other instances like this but I'll stop and move on to the other issue.

[UncannyThreat]

2. Sprout A and sprout B were having a discussion about a topic and sprout A said something about the Trans Community and sprout C admitted that they were Trans and would appreciate them not speaking for them as what they were saying didn't represent their views and experience. Sprout A went OFF on sprout C and was claiming that C was just trying to start drama so C posted a picture of their hormone meds. A outright said to C that they still didn't believe them and that they were "just claiming to be trans to start s___." At this point, myself and several other sprouts were speaking up in defense of C and asking for any mentor (many of which had just mysteriously gone silent even though they were talking just minutes before) to do something about sprout A. I was one of the people that was speaking up and asking for A to stop...a mentor kicked me for "drama and nuisance behavior." No one else got kicked...sprout A didn't get kicked. 30 minutes later, I came back and was immediately kicked without a word for "starts drama and past nuisance behavior." 30 minutes later...kicked again immediately upon entering NN and without a word from anyone. THE NEXT DAY my FC leader pulls me aside and said that people have messaged them about me starting drama in the NN and it looks bad for the FC. I explained to them the situation and even offered to show them the screenshots...nope...I was told that I either have to stop starting and participating in drama in the NN or I had to leave the FC. This event caused my S/O to basically quit the game in literal tears and I have to BEG them to play with me and they only do maybe once or twice a month and never for longer than an hour.

In response to the alleged transphobia claim against me by the original poster, this was not me, and never have I done this, what it is, and will always be is a straw man that has been set up to garner additional hate. And even though a player did clearly drive someone off the game by exhibiting transphobia, this person described as 'Sprout A' was protected rather than penalized because of favoritism and bias against 'Sprout C'.

[Verthande]

In response to the alleged transphobia claim against me by the original poster, this was not me, and never have I done this, what it is, and will always be is a straw man that has been set up to garner additional hate. And even though a player did clearly drive someone off the game by exhibiting transphobia, this person described as 'Sprout A' was protected rather than penalized because of favoritism and bias against 'Sprout C'.

I will also state clearly that my second example, as seen in the above quote, was not the original player in question from the OP's post. The person in my example was basically given carte blanche to do and say whatever they'd wanted about whomever they'd wanted for weeks on end and if anyone even question it or ask the mentors to do anything about it then we were usually met with a threat of getting kicked for starting drama. The person in my example, again not the person in question by the OP, was definitely not the only one in what I'd described at the time as both a 'clique' and a 'virtual lynch mob.' Anyone who they even perceived as someone who wouldn't immediately fall in line was a target which is how I ended up being a target. I defended one of the people they didn't like from transphobic attacks...I was then a target.

No conjecture; I don't know their motives. I'm just stating what happened.

I'm not saying the OP is telling the truth or lying and I won't because I wasn't here between the beginning of Stormblood until April of this year. I can say, however, that I've not personally witnessed the original person in question be transphobic in my anecdotal experience. I have witnessed them do several things that deserve a kick from the NN to help diffuse tensions from time to time...but never anything outright ban-worthy in my, again anecdotal, experience.