Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Anvaire]

Don't you think there was enough back and forth about "Viera lore"? People need start to agree to disagree since Male Viera are confirmed and coming very soon, no matter how much some people want to throw the "but lore" card XD It's like beating a dead horse at this point.

I agree, its very much like beating a dead horse on an already sunken ship while screaming the ship is sinking.

[SherlottaEryut]

Don't you think there was enough back and forth about "Viera lore"? People need start to agree to disagree since Male Viera are confirmed and coming very soon, no matter how much some people want to throw the "but lore" card XD It's like beating a dead horse at this point.

Yeah and I have accepted the male viera are coming, good on them. I came to terms ages ago that they’ll be a good addition to the game. I never said in my previous post that male viera shouldn’t be implemented.

But people still compare Miqo’te to the viera as if it’s always been a valid argument when it’s really not.

[nebby00]

I know you posted this ages ago, but people making this continuous comparison of male Miqo’te and Viera is not valid and it never will be.

Viera have been in a variety number of games, they have been in the FF series for decades & have an extensive amount of lore that people hold dearly to them.

Miqo’te we’re implemented in XIV so barely anyone cares about their backstories or where they came from.

Actually, Miqo'te are the Mithra from FFXI, the only reason why they have both genders playable now is because of Yoshi-P, otherwise they would have been gender locked like their FFXI equivalent. So they have lore on a technical standpoint from 2003... or whenever FFXI came out. So no, you're wrong there. People can make that same comparison since in both cases the races lore are very similar.

Mithra/Miqo'te are mostly female and males are rarely born among their numbers, this lore carried on into FFXIV. Viera are similar, mostly female race with males being born rarely among their numbers, same scenario where it is brought to FFXIV. It's a valid argument that is irrelevant now since Male Viera are going to be implemented in a month's time from now.

[SherlottaEryut]

Actually, Miqo'te are the Mithra from FFXI, the only reason why they have both genders playable now is because of Yoshi-P, otherwise they would have been gender locked like their FFXI equivalent. So they have lore on a technical standpoint from 2003... or whenever FFXI came out. So no, you're wrong there. People can make that same comparison since in both cases the races lore are very similar.

Where is the official confirmation that the Mithra are in fact the Miqo'te? I can't find it anywhere.. Or are you speculating because they both just happen to be a cat race? All I can see online is that Yoshi-P wanted a resemblance to XI so created the Miqo'te that was *INSPIRED* by the Mithra but cant see anything official linking them together other than they're just cat people.

The viera have the Veena and the Rava, in the description it gives an insight that one is from Golmore Jungle and the other being inspired from FF Tactics. Looking at the Miqo'te's one, I cant see any hint in the character creation that either clans are linked back to XI - but to be fair I only vaguely know of XI.

[nebby00]

Where is the official confirmation that the Mithra are in fact the Miqo'te? I can't find it anywhere.. Or are you speculating because they both just happen to be a cat race? All I can see online is that Yoshi-P wanted a resemblance to XI so created the Miqo'te that was *INSPIRED* by the Mithra but cant see anything official linking them together other than they're just cat people.

The viera have the Veena and the Rava, in the description it gives an insight that one is from Golmore Jungle and the other being inspired from FF Tactics. Looking at the Miqo'te's one, I cant see any hint in the character creation that either clans are linked back to XI.

It's primarily because of the original development team who came from FFXI. FFXIV 1.0 was essentially supposed to be FFXI 2 with improved graphics and a different story (but there apparently was little story in 1.0). That failed of course, and then Yoshi-P took over afterwards. He promised no genderlocks and added the male equivalent to Miqo'te, and the female equivalent to both Roegadyn and Male Highlanders. Even though Miqo'te and Mithra do not share the same name; they are inspired and ripped from Mithra in FFXI primarily because of the original developers. Same case with Hrothgar, Hrothgar are basically Ronso. But they're FFXIV's version of Ronso. Miqo'te are FFXIV's version of Mithra, and the Viera that we have are FFXIV's version of Viera, being that the current Viera that we have aren't complete copies appearance wise of the tactics Viera due to system limitations with not have their distinctive features of their feet and hands. My point still stands regardless, the comparisons are there and even if Miqo're weren't Mithra, their lore was in FFXIV's lore before Viera got implemented later on, them being the original base races in 1.0 and ARR.

Literally the only original race that FFXIV implemented was Au Ra. That's it. Otherwise all the other races took inspiration from other games in the FF franchise.

[Poporito_Popoto]

Think of it like the First's "dwarves" or their version of kobolds, the Mords.

[Fukuro]

Where is the official confirmation that the Mithra are in fact the Miqo'te? I can't find it anywhere.. Or are you speculating because they both just happen to be a cat race? All I can see online is that Yoshi-P wanted a resemblance to XI so created the Miqo'te that was *INSPIRED* by the Mithra but cant see anything official linking them together other than they're just cat people.

The viera have the Veena and the Rava, in the description it gives an insight that one is from Golmore Jungle and the other being inspired from FF Tactics. Looking at the Miqo'te's one, I cant see any hint in the character creation that either clans are linked back to XI - but to be fair I only vaguely know of XI.

just as much as 14‘s version of viera are not the same as the ones we know from the ivalice series. they are inspired by them, but in the end they are their own thing. now if you make comparisons to other races, you should compare the ones established in 14 and not compare them from past ff titles. miqo‘te are inspired by mithra just as much as 14 vieras are inspired from the ones from the ivalice series - just as much as hrothgar are inspired by the ronso. in the end they are their own thing and not connected lore wise to any of the other ff titles. some details they took from past titles are more accurate and others are not. that‘s the magic of the franchise, there are alot of references, some more in detail and some less, but (almost) each of them are separate from a lore standpoint.

in the end vieras were a fanservice and they tried to make them compatible with 14‘s lore, they have their own lore (even though similar to the ivalice series) but still not the same just like with many other things in this game.

[Kyuuen]

I've never understood the point of arguing against male Viera once we found out what was going on in Endwalker. Sure, they were protectors/sentinels of their land, but what does being secular in the protections of ones lands hold when the planet itself is being threatened? Naturally a few would come out and venture forth.

[Iscah]

I've never understood the point of arguing against male Viera once we found out what was going on in Endwalker. Sure, they were protectors/sentinels of their land, but what does being secular in the protections of ones lands hold when the planet itself is being threatened? Naturally a few would come out and venture forth.

I have no issue with their introduction, but it's not just about them venturing forth because of the events of Endwalker. Maybe that will be a thing for some NPCs, but you-the-main-character can be a male Viera from the very beginning of the story, long before Endwalker's apocalyptic threat. So that doesn't stand as the reason that they are becoming available to play.

[Fukuro]

I have no issue with their introduction, but it's not just about them venturing forth because of the events of Endwalker. Maybe that will be a thing for some NPCs, but you-the-main-character can be a male Viera from the very beginning of the story, long before Endwalker's apocalyptic threat. So that doesn't stand as the reason that they are becoming available to play.

i agree. i think we as the warrior of the light are an exception(we are an unicum), we were there before the events of EW happened (if you go by the view point as a male viera). you are the only male viera that broke the rules of the green word and started adventuring through the world - becoming the warrior of light. the things going on in endwalker could explain why we could see some males around as npc‘s tho.

there will be of course overlap in lore that would make no sense (speaking with the dramaturg for example) but there are many of those mini „lore breaking“ moments in game. just like how you wander around as an au ra in ishgard in heavensward, which also would not make much sense…