Mentor abuse DC on purpose

[Xirean]

I think it's pretty black and white actually. A player who queues for a roulette and then immediately DCs to avoid any in-game punishment is NOT an "exemplar of player etiquette", and no, I do not think they are required to do it if they don't want to. This is what the leave button is for, or they can just not queue for mentor roulette entirely.

The mentor roulette is more than just "fill this missing spot", in my opinion. The mentor crown is turned on specifically, which tells me that any new player seeing this icon (in a perfect world) would see this mentor as someone who they can ask assistance of, which is also why mentors get extra exp (if I recall) for being grouped with new adventurers. Players can thank the prevalence of "mentors" who aren't acting as one, for the way the community sees them nowadays.

I don't think someone purposefully DCing is an Examplar either. But they play the game and pay a sub like anyone else so their opinion is just as valid. I don't think them doing what some consider rude to change that. A lot of people don't want there to be a penalty for leaving in any game. I've felt like I'm being held captive in an instance on more than one occasion in this game and others. Yes there is the leave button, but why should someone be penalized for trying to get away from what they perceive to be a toxic situation? The system has no way for detecting this which is another flaw within it. I don't think trying to get around that makes someone a bad person. Since getting rid of the penalty is probably not the best idea I prefer changing up the content selection in roulettes. "Oh people leave this a lot? Maybe we should remove this instance from this Roulette and put it somewhere else?"

Saying "just don't que" is the easy answer and one that does not satisfy me just like the "fill this missing spot" perspective does not satisfy you. Ultimately this comes down to which is more important the status/expectation or getting clears and not upsetting people? I lean towards the latter as I don't expect people to rise to the occasion; therefore I don't ask them to.

[Eien713]

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I just wanted to say that I agree with everything you said. Also, people who keep bashing mentors, say that the mount should be removed, and/or suggest not queuing for the Mentor Roulette if you don't want to do extremes are pointless to argue with. I know this from experience since they've been saying the exact same thing in every single post about this matter and never once changed their views or listened no matter what arguments/logic/explanations/etc. people gave them.

You want the reward removed? Fine with me. I'd definitely run the Mentor Roulette a lot more if it didn't have Ex trials, and I'd certainly do that without the reward being involved. And if I want to help people with Ex trials, I'll hop into PF like I usually do.

[nebby00]

I think this thread has gone on way too long at this point. Every single point on both sides has been argued to hell and back again and this goes for everyone on both sides of the argument: you cannot change the minds of someone who feels strongly about something, especially when it comes down to morals and interactions with other players

No one, and I repeat: no one had been bashing/harassing any specific mentor who by all means have been doing the best they can. The only complaints was on the bad mentors who unfortunately pop up and are more vocal. Yes, it may not be fair that all mentors get pushed into one box, but until the system gets improved or removed, this will continue to be a problem. We can argue all day and night about it, but in the end nothing will change until the developers themselves intervene.

Lay it to rest, 8 pages is way too long for this discussion and it's going nowhere fast.