Mentor abuse DC on purpose

[Masekase_Hurricane]

There shouldn't be any rewards for being a mentor.

[Xirean]

I think people are missing a simple matter here. If the role Mentor is removed than all rewards tied to it HAVE to go somewhere. SE wouldn't just drop it nor take it away from people who already have it. I don't think the Mentor system should be a thing especially with how the game presently is structured because the only thing that gives any inference as to what a Mentor is supposed to do is the text blerb upon picking it up which is very vague and open to interpretation.

I'm never surprised when I hear stories about Mentors bailing on Extremes. They suck if you weren't really planning on doing them. As far as I'm concerned Extremes are just raids with a different name. Why then to be a Mentor does someone HAVE to also be a raider? I'd much rather direct people who want to raid toward resources to help them achieve that which I do very frequently.

If you want to talk about making the Mentor system into a better system then lets talk about that. But if you just want to bash someone for using a system then I have no respect for you. I don't care that the Mentor in this discussion was doing dumb shit to get out. They shouldn't have been put in that situation to begin with. Systems encourage behavior. Putting a nice reward does not just suddenly make people bite a bullet and do what they don't want; MSQ is a perfect example of that. Nice reward to que into it even though it sucks. Yet there are still various ways to "ruin" the experience for people in there just to make it go by faster. And any time those threads pop up people tell the complainer to shove it. The only difference is a stupid crown that people put WAY too much expectation on.

[nebby00]

I still stand by there shouldn't have been any rewards for being a mentor; the reward should be the pleasant feeling you get after seeing a party full of sprouts overcome that extreme trial; or seeing a grateful sprout for the advice you've given them. Honestly, mentorship shouldn't have existed in the first place. I go out of my way to help people in game, if they're struggling and occasionally I queue for EX trials in duty Finder just for the heck of it and wind up teaching the sprouts mechanics after the mentor bails.. and we clear all the time.

It's just a matter of people who are in the system for mentors; they go for the reward of the mount and nothing else. Yes, there are sprouts who don't learn and are generally unpleasant, but the majority of sprouts do want to learn and are willing to listen if you actually don't act like a jerk and bail or yell at them then leave. And a lot of people are still are the free trial; meaning they can't use the Party Finder system, thus blocking them from even joining Party Finders for extreme trials, so that advice isn't really advice for those on free trial.

And if people bail because they got something they don't like in roulette.. which you're accepting that you'll get any duty in the game when you go in; don't bail. If you feel like you're going to waste your time which you don't want to do; don't do Mentor roulette.

And again; like I said before, all it takes is one bad apple to ruin the bunch. That is human nature, and the only reason why a lot of the good mentors are experiencing a lot of backlash nowadays is because of the bad ones. It's why I think the NN and mentorship in general should be moderated, if not straight out removed from the game.

[SturmChurro]

I think this is the problem here. The mindset that having to do an extreme is a "punishment".

I'm never surprised when I hear stories about Mentors bailing on Extremes. They suck if you weren't really planning on doing them. As far as I'm concerned Extremes are just raids with a different name. Why then to be a Mentor does someone HAVE to also be a raider? I'd much rather direct people who want to raid toward resources to help them achieve that which I do very frequently.

If a "mentor" isn't willing to do an extreme, here's what they can do: not queue for mentor roulette! For that matter, a mentor has to clear quite a number of raids to even unlock the mentor roulette, why do you think that is?

[Xirean]

I think this is the problem here. The mindset that having to do an extreme is a "punishment".

If a "mentor" isn't willing to do an extreme, here's what they can do: not queue for mentor roulette! For that matter, a mentor has to clear quite a number of raids to even unlock the mentor roulette, why do you think that is?

You have to clear Extremes because they are on the Mentor roulette. Much like clearing Paglth'an to have access to Expert Roulette. This isn't complicated. Whatever is on the Roulette you have to clear prior. The issue I see is that Savages are not on the Mentor Roulette. Tell me why is there a distinction between Extremes and Savages? If they were both on there then I truly would just give up on Mentor Roulette all together. But having one and not the other shows an inconsistency in the content selection of the Roulette. I like being a Mentor. By that I mean I enjoy helping new players learn the game and get through content. I do not enjoy Extremes or Savages. I'm not a raider. By having Extremes on the Roulette I'm being told that in order to be a Mentor I must also be a raider, but there are no savages so there seems to be a distinction. Why? Are Savages too hard? Some Extremes are harder? Is it that they are side content? So are Extremes. If SE were to separate Extremes into their own roulette (they might also include savages) and put some cool rewards behind that, then I wouldn't care.

My issue is people thinking that the fancy mount HAS to come from running Extremes. Quite frankly I didn't even know the mount existed for about a year after becoming a Mentor. I just wanted to help people and got harassed just for having the stupid symbol above my head. Literally without doing or saying anything. I want the status gone because I want the expectation gone. And being expected to do Extremes or worse carry a group of randos through an Extreme just because they qued for it, is not something I agree with. I barely run the stupid roulette anymore because of this issue. I would run it all day if they were removed. Not for the mount, but just because I find it fun sometimes.

[Shin96]

I just wanted to help people and got harassed just for having the stupid symbol above my head. Literally without doing or saying anything.

Wear it with pride; if you are a good player you deserved it.

Mentorship is earned my friends. Now you can raise the bar to the most ridicolous standards, however, you will still find plenty of people willing to go that far. Is that something you want? Does it actually make you happy to not see a Burger King crown anymore? Look within yourself and you will find the reasons you hate it.

Yes, the current Mentor system is anything but sophisticated in design, especially the joke that are the NN's. I stay away from that place as far as I can, despite being a Mentor myself. However, what gives you the damn right to judge me based on a damn png. icon inside a game? Do you know me? Who I am? No of you course you don't! But if your reasons for disliking anyone with a Mentor crown are anything but their personality, you are the problem. It's your insecurity and expectations that lead to your own disappointment. You are the problem.

In a perfect world, every Mentor is a helpful person giving advice to sprouts and newcomers alike, but that's not the case and it will never be. The only way that would work is by strictly enforcing a type of ToS directly tied to Mentorship, and therefore it being revoked, but what I see is for the most part.. is nothing but unsolicited envy gushing out of players that understand the ways off until they can apply for Mentorship.
In my early days I had to suffer so much at the hands of Mentors you can't believe it, but my motivation for becoming one was simple; to be a better player, or should I say Mentor. Now you want this privilege gone because of a few bad apples that are toxifying our name. However when it's sprouts or any other player there's no stigma attached to those personalities, because mediocrity is the default of everything as can be seen by players not even knowing how to play their job properly!

And when it's gone, it will only take a couple of months until there's another dissatisfaction. What could it be, I wonder? Oh yes! The title "Perfect Legend". It's unfair! I want it too! And lower the EXP for other players because it's unfair how fast they level any job too! You see where this rabbit hole goes. This demographic of people will never stop complaining until everyone is so equal and only when it suits them. Becoming a Mentor is not that hard, but being a better player and showing respect to others is harder.

As for the rewards in Mentor roulette, why not? Does it bother you so much that someone is compensated for helping and aiding others? I really don't understand this immature mentality. It's a game, get real.

[SturmChurro]

This can't be serious.. envy?



I was once a mentor, and I can still become a mentor at anytime I wanted. I choose to not be associated with this system, or the expectations of being one. So that "point" is moot. My criticisms are of the system as a whole, and the flaws I see with it. If a player signs up to be a mentor, they should either meet those expectations, or lose it, in my opinion. No one has forced them to be one. By wearing that crown, a player has taken on the responsibility of being a mentor, and if that means they have to do extremes? So be it.

[Xirean]

This can't be serious.. envy?

I was once a mentor, and I can still become a mentor at anytime I wanted. I choose to not be associated with this system, or the expectations of being one. So that "point" is moot. My criticisms are of the system as a whole, and the flaws I see with it. If a player signs up to be a mentor, they should either meet those expectations, or lose it, in my opinion. No one has forced them to be one. By wearing that crown, a player has taken on the responsibility of being a mentor, and if that means they have to do extremes? So be it.

For someone who has gripes against the system you sure do display your gripes against people a lot. From my understanding though you want the expectations to be higher whereas I want the expectations lower. Like I said earlier. Lets talk about the system as a system and not about the people.

[Shin96]

This can't be serious.. envy?



I was once a mentor, and I can still become a mentor at anytime I wanted. I choose to not be associated with this system, or the expectations of being one. So that "point" is moot. My criticisms are of the system as a whole, and the flaws I see with it. If a player signs up to be a mentor, they should either meet those expectations, or lose it, in my opinion. No one has forced them to be one. By wearing that crown, a player has taken on the responsibility of being a mentor, and if that means they have to do extremes? So be it.

And my responsibilites are working and playing the game whenever I can. I owe you absolutely nothing, players should be thankful I even give them any advice given how rude people respond to this "responsibility" you talk about. Laugh all you want, it's the first time in ever I see this type of hostility coming from people that don't even play the game well, but want to make general statements on a demographic being assigned to Mentorship inside a game.

Point is, they need to find a decent rework that actually makes sure mentors meet a monthly amount of expectations; like player commendations, for instance. But I won't take off my crown I worked so hard for because some people whine all day on these forums because they can't be *rsed to put any effort inside this game.

[SturmChurro]

For someone who has gripes against the system you sure do display your gripes against people a lot. From my understanding though you want the expectations to be higher whereas I want the expectations lower. Like I said earlier. Lets talk about the system as a system and not about the people.

No, I want the expectations to be exactly as they are written. No more, no less. It is a requirement to clear a large variety of content - including extremes - to even access the mentor roulette. This is, presumably, so mentors who are doing the roulette have prior experience of whatever the roulette puts them in. A mentor who DCs to avoid the in-game punishment for leaving, is not the behavior of someone who is acting as an "exemplar for player etiquette". As I stated before, nobody forced them to become a mentor, nobody forced them to queue for the mentor roulette, and if they don't want to do an extreme - which is included in the roulette- they can either not queue for it, or LEAVE it. I have talked about what I think are the flaws in the system already, many, many times over. The reward needs to be removed from mentor roulette specifically, as you get players who are queuing for it specifically to get clears for achievement progress, rather than to perform their role as mentor, and it would need a large amount of oversight by SE to actually function as intended, in my opinion.

Moving extremes to their own roulette wouldn't fix this issue at all, as new players who are queuing for extremes via the duty finder will simply find a dead queue that nobody aside from them is doing, and all just so some mentors can avoid it, because they might think it's an inconvenience. As I stated before, if extremes are removed the mount reward needs to be removed with it, as it's there to encourage players to clear the roulette whether it was an extreme or not.