Mentor abuse DC on purpose

[TabrisOmbrelame]

"lying"?
Are you okay?

And show me one newbie who knows that you can even hide the sprout.

SMH

This is possible to do. Sprouts can hide their plant icon. But that's doesn't mean they are not sprouts anymore. If they lack skills it's their problem. An Icon, either Plant or Burger King Crown, doesn't mean you are skilled or unskilled. This entirely depends on the player.

Uh, yes you can. You can turn those off at will. Or back on while you still qualify. Stop lying

Same goes for you. Trying to hide that you are a Sprouts will only make other player angrier when you fail and less patient.

Still. Shironeko was almost completely right. Beside the fact that you can hide a sprouts icon, you don't choose to not BE one. If you go over an other game you will be a sprouts there because you have no idea of how the game works. For the Mentor Side, I can only agree with Shironeko again, you choose that. If you don't want to help sprouts, don't become a Mentor.

[SturmChurro]

While a sprout/returner can hide their icon, a player has to choose to become a mentor after earning a specific amount of commendations, clears, levels, etc.. A mentor has to also accept a prompt that states that mentors are expected to be an "exemplar" of player etiquette, among other things. This means that a mentor has chosen to be held at a higher standard. A sprout/returner is not comparable here. For that matter, a mentor's crown is back on when they do mentor roulette: where they get extremes. So when so many mentors are acting contrary to the expectations of being a mentor, it makes sense that that reflects badly on all mentors, as it shouldn't be so common. This is why without constant oversight by SE this system will never work, in my opinion. Having a desirable award tied to mentor roulette clears, only exacerbates the issue, as you get "mentors" like this thread describes.

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[D1Storm]

I am far from a mentor, and I did not even have time to participate in many troubles in this game, but I certainly use DC It is not professional for a person who has become a mentor. Regardless of the fact that it is impossible to close, or how difficult the test fell out. I was more fortunate in this regard: in two months of the game, I did not meet a single toxic or unscrupulous Mentor. Even when I got into the extreme of Sephiroth, all the mentors, and there were 3 of them, held out to the last. We were unable to close within the given time, but none of them left the group.I will say more, the help on mechanics that they provided, more and more propelled us to victory.I am writing all this only to thank and support those who were with us and all the conscientious mentors. ������������

[Bsrking5]

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Failure to plan is planning for failure. You can choose to not identify as a sprout. You can also spend time learning as to not be clueless. Or you can choose not to. Its a choice. There is no difference.

[nebby00]

While a sprout/returner can hide their icon, a player has to choose to become a mentor after earning a specific amount of commendations, clears, levels, etc.. A mentor has to also accept a prompt that states that mentors are expected to be an "exemplar" of player etiquette, among other things. This means that a mentor has chosen to be held at a higher standard. A sprout/returner is not comparable here. For that matter, a mentor's crown is back on when they do mentor roulette: where they get extremes. So when so many mentors are acting contrary to the expectations of being a mentor, it makes sense that that reflects badly on all mentors, as it shouldn't be so common. This is why without constant oversight by SE this system will never work, in my opinion. Having a desirable award tied to mentor roulette clears, only exacerbates the issue, as you get "mentors" like this thread describes.

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This, all of this right here.

Yes, there are some mentors who are the good/nice mentors; who will go out of their way to help other players and stay around for whatever their roulette gives them. However, again all it takes for majority of the player base to turn against the mentors is one bad apple. That is human nature, people once they have negative experiences from a specific group then puts all of that group into a box and label it "this is bad". This mentality grows worse when they experience more and more negative experiences from this specific group; in this case mentors.

Honestly, in the two years I have been playing, admittedly I've had a lot of negative experiences with mentors and only on a handful can I count the good experiences I had and it was from only four mentors. Four out of the dozen or so negative interactions with mentors who don't want to actually mentor; nor are they pleasant to be around. They either leave after the first wipe, leave from a farming party after the first completion, yell at sprouts in dungeons, or mess up mechanics themselves then blame everyone else for their failure. It isn't to say that there aren't sprouts/returners/regular players who are equally unpleasant, but the mentors stand out much more since they are expected in the terms to hold themselves at a higher standard than the rest of the player base. But unfortunately, most people go for the burger king crown for the mount. That's it. They don't want to help players, they use the NN as a glorified chat room, and I've seen some weird roleplay when I first started playing two years ago in the NN, drowning out the sprouts that actually wanted some advice that made me bail immediately.

Mentors need to be held accountable for their actions, but the NN is unmoderated and needs someone looking over the interactions in there; otherwise get rid of the system altogether since it's certainly not being used the right way.

[Skivvy]

While a sprout/returner can hide their icon, a player has to choose to become a mentor after earning a specific amount of commendations, clears, levels, etc.. A mentor has to also accept a prompt that states that mentors are expected to be an "exemplar" of player etiquette, among other things. This means that a mentor has chosen to be held at a higher standard. A sprout/returner is not comparable here. For that matter, a mentor's crown is back on when they do mentor roulette: where they get extremes. So when so many mentors are acting contrary to the expectations of being a mentor, it makes sense that that reflects badly on all mentors, as it shouldn't be so common. This is why without constant oversight by SE this system will never work, in my opinion. Having a desirable award tied to mentor roulette clears, only exacerbates the issue, as you get "mentors" like this thread describes.

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Thank you! This place makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people start in with things like "mentors shouldn't be held to higher standards", "they're just players trying to enjoy their time", "it's not their job to help people". You can find some replies along those lines in this very thread and they almost always get tossed out in discussions about mentors.

If someone isn't in the mood to be in mentor-mode, turn off the crown and don't queue for the mentor roulette. The current system is a mess and really should be reworked with a new icon and removing all rewards.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Failure to plan is planning for failure. You can choose to not identify as a sprout. You can also spend time learning as to not be clueless. Or you can choose not to. Its a choice. There is no difference.

If that is how you do it, then do it. But you cannot force people to make a choice when they don't know such a choice exist.

You are not them, and they aren't you. Therefore, if you think they choose to be clueless so be it, but that's not necessary true, and it's more often the opposite. That's the way of thinking of a machine (0 or 1 ya know ?). I won't even try to make you understand a principle you don't want to ear about because it's not in your logical sense. So the discussion with you is closed.

Moving on.

SturmChurro, this was exactly what I talked about, thank you for bringing this up.

[Awha]

Mentors are just players people really need to stop holding them to a higher standard. Sure that may be the idea behind the system but that is not the reality. Accept the reality that you will run into good and bad people and play the game.

[nebby00]

Mentors are just players people really need to stop holding them to a higher standard. Sure that may be the idea behind the system but that is not the reality. Accept the reality that you will run into good and bad people and play the game.

We do accept the reality that there will be good and bad mentors. All it takes is just reporting the bad ones with their behavior, and making sure that it message comes across that the bad behavior isn't supposed to be tolerated. I don't spend much more than a few seconds over bad mentors, laugh and hit report and move on with my day. But it doesn't excuse the fact once you apply for mentorship you are a mentor; therefore you get put in the spotlight when that little mentor icon is next to your name. Don't want to be put to a higher standard? Don't apply for mentorship.

[Misutoraru]

Eh, you want to do EXs with randos then go to PF. Can't blame a person dipping from an unwinnable situation.

Take the 30min penalty
or
do not join mentor roulette if you are not up for the task that throw at you