What's the Healer rush?

[Lanadra]

If I'm queuing for a random dungeon as a healer and the tank is not pulling at minimum 2 packs, I will absolutely pull for them. Healer gameplay is just too boring if there's barely any enemies since we no longer have a lot of damaging abilities. Not only that, if I enable a single-pulling tank then they'll move on to waste someone else's time and turn somebody else's 10-15 minute dungeon into a 30 or 40 minute run.

Usually there's no problem with pulling ahead since the only thing a tank needs to do to pick up aggro is press their aoe skill. That's literally it. On the few times that I've encountered tanks who freak out at me for speeding things along or decide that they're going to let people die by refusing to take aggro, I leave without a word. Because that kind of behaviour demonstrates a kind of ego that needs a reality check.

If you want to go slow, use trusts.

That's called 'you pull it, you tank it', perhaps you should stop volunteering to do the tanks job by pulling ahead.. because yes, you are going to get tanks who will happily let you try your hand at being a green tank.

Also, 'ego that needs a reality check', coming from a healer who will pull and dump it on the tank? Pot calling the kettle black?

[Saraide]

That's called 'you pull it, you tank it', perhaps you should stop volunteering to do the tanks job by pulling ahead.. because yes, you are going to get tanks who will happily let you try your hand at being a green tank.

"you pull you tank" is just griefing. It's your job to be the meatshield so maybe do that and stop being on an egotrip because you didnt get to be dictator.

[Alxyzntlct]

"you pull you tank" is just griefing. It's your job to be the meatshield so maybe do that and stop being on an egotrip because you didnt get to be dictator.

Deciding how someone else has to play their character/job is an ego trip. So essentially, you all are equally responsible for being the same thing you're decrying.

"You pull you tank" is just as much of a choice as "I'll tank whatever is pulled to me". The big issue is communication and being thoughtful about others, and it seems that a lot of you just want there to be some unspoken standard that meets your interests whether or not it's commonly known (which, FYI, is pretty unpleasant for new players).

It feels like pushy healers are very rare to come across, considering barely anyone speaks during dungeon roulettes.

Whenever I play a healer I just allow the tank to do whatever kind of pulls they’re comfortable with.. I don’t see the point in rushing them because they need to learn at their own pace, and I’m in no rush to finish dungeons.

This is the general philosophy I try to work with as well when playing as any of the 3 roles. To a degree I enjoy the feel of a smooth w2w dungeon run, but only if I'm really familiar with a dungeon. If not then it gets hectic and that's not as much fun, so it's not something I'm interested in forcing others into. I try to let people learn at their own pace.

If people start trying to force others into playing a certain why they don't like, I'll try to help smooth things out for them. If I'm tanking/healing and someone wants to move faster or slower and asks in chat, I'll adjust accordingly and enjoy the adventure. If someone tries to force me into playing a certain way without actually communicating, I'll drop the group like a bad habit and blacklist the pushy people. There's plenty else to do to wait out the timer and any follow-up tank/healer queues are instant anyway.

And to note for everyone's reference, if players get really forceful such as berating you in chat or using abilities like "Rescue" to drag you around, that's absolutely reportable for harassment.

[Lanadra]

Deciding how someone else has to play their character/job is an ego trip. So essentially, you all are equally responsible for being the same thing you're decrying.

"You pull you tank" is just as much of a choice as "I'll tank whatever is pulled to me". The big issue is communication and being thoughtful about others, and it seems that a lot of you just want there to be some unspoken standard that meets your interests whether or not it's commonly known (which, FYI, is pretty unpleasant for new players).

This.

'You pull you tank' is a response to a failure of communication. A response to another player deciding 'I don't like tanks pace.. so I'm going to run ahead, pull everything and drag it back to him without discussing it with them'. You don't like the tanks pace? How about asking them to pull more, or perhaps inquiring if they're uncomfortable about it? Communicate, find common ground.

[Saraide]

Deciding how someone else has to play their character/job is an ego trip. So essentially, you all are equally responsible for being the same thing you're decrying.

"You pull you tank" is just as much of a choice as "I'll tank whatever is pulled to me". The big issue is communication and being thoughtful about others, and it seems that a lot of you just want there to be some unspoken standard that meets your interests whether or not it's commonly known (which, FYI, is pretty unpleasant for new players).



This is the general philosophy I try to work with as well when playing as any of the 3 roles. To a degree I enjoy the feel of a smooth w2w dungeon run, but only if I'm really familiar with a dungeon. If not then it gets hectic and that's not as much fun, so it's not something I'm interested in forcing others into. I try to let people learn at their own pace.

If people start trying to force others into playing a certain why they don't like, I'll try to help smooth things out for them. If someone tries to force me into playing a certain way, I'll drop the group like a bad habit and blacklist the pushy people. There's plenty else to do to wait out the timer and any follow-up tank/healer queues are instant anyway.

For single pulls you do not need a tank at all. You learn nothing as tank with single pulls either. With 4 people more than one group is hilariously easy. You have to actively stop doing AoE to not take aggro as tank and that's just griefing. Tanks need to stop having the mindset that they are the leaders and start having the mindset that they are the meatshields. Other people pulling would be a problem if taking over aggro wasnt so braindead easy. However that's no the world we live in. Shitty tanks are going out of their way to sabotage their group, people who pull extra are not as doing damage is their job and more enemies to aoe means you are doing more damage and therefore you are doing your job better.

And so what if you wipe, you clearly already dont care about going fast. Heavens forbid you might actually learn something from it.

[Arkdra]

That's called 'you pull it, you tank it', perhaps you should stop volunteering to do the tanks job by pulling ahead.. because yes, you are going to get tanks who will happily let you try your hand at being a green tank.

Also, 'ego that needs a reality check', coming from a healer who will pull and dump it on the tank? Pot calling the kettle black?

This basically never comes up, but on the off chance it did, it would be trivial for the healer to keep themself and a tank up against 2 packs and I would absolutely vote kick the tank in this made up scenario. Do your job tank, it's the piss easiest role in the game.

In actuality, I will say please pull more and either they do or they don't and that's life. Can't win em all. Honestly, most tanks will pull right regardless, the only place this is not the case is 567 roulette which is the land of the single pullers and I will always queue for that as a tank when I need the poes for something just to not have to put up with it.

[morsdood]

That's called 'you pull it, you tank it', perhaps you should stop volunteering to do the tanks job by pulling ahead.. because yes, you are going to get tanks who will happily let you try your hand at being a green tank.

Also, 'ego that needs a reality check', coming from a healer who will pull and dump it on the tank? Pot calling the kettle black?

''YoU PuLl yOu TaNk!1!'' is the mantra of crappy Tanks worldwide, I used to be guilty of saying it myself in other games when I was younger until I got my head out of my bum and realized that there is no valid reason to actively hinder the group's advance by blatantly letting people die just because they tried to help make things go faster.

Pulling ahead doesn't mean someone is volunteering to do the Tank's job or that they want to be a Green Tank, it simply means they know they and the Tank can handle more than what is currently being pulled, the Tank's job on trash is literally to stand there, hold aggro and hit back, thats it. Making ''dump it on the tank'' seem like a negative thing is also pretty silly, should be grateful the role is made even simpler tbh.

Any diva Tank that would rather practice ''u pull u tank!'' over pressing their one or two buttons to grab aggro shouldn't be playing Tank in group content, especially not with strangers.

Masturbatory totally real ''you pull you tank'' story

Please stop queuing as Tank, thanks.

[Vahlnir]

''YoU PuLl yOu TaNk!1!'' is the mantra of crappy Tanks worldwide, I used to be guilty of saying it myself in other games when I was younger until I got my head out of my bum and realized that there is no valid reason to actively hinder the group's advance by blatantly letting people die just because they tried to help make things go faster.

Pulling ahead doesn't mean someone is volunteering to do the Tank's job or that they want to be a Green Tank, it simply means they know they and the Tank can handle more than what is currently being pulled, the Tank's job on trash is literally to stand there, hold aggro and hit back, thats it. Making ''dump it on the tank'' seem like a negative thing is also pretty silly, should be grateful the role is made even simpler tbh.

Any diva Tank that would rather practice ''u pull u tank!'' over pressing their one or two buttons to grab aggro shouldn't be playing Tank in group content, especially not with strangers.


Please stop queuing as Tank, thanks.

Having someone pull for you can be annoying. Had it happen a couple of times myself while learning how to tank, though I was working up to pulling bigger than a few groups over time. After a certain point I basically just said screw it and threw myself into the deep end and started pulling big, and probably a lot bigger than I was comfortable with. But it helped. A lot. Even so, it is definitely somewhat rude to pull for a tank, and shows a complete lack of patience. Don't really care who does it. That is a simple fact. Patience is a virtue I wish many people would learn. The "you pull it you tank it" mentality is just petty though. A tank's job is to tank, and that means anything and everything that gets pulled, voluntarily or involuntarily. It doesn't matter who does it or when, it falls on the tank to do their job. Nothing good comes from letting your party members die just because they did something you didn't like. It just slows things down further and leads to some rather tense interactions.

[TaleraRistain]

Having someone pull for you can be annoying. Had it happen a couple of times myself while learning how to tank, though I was working up to pulling bigger than a few groups over time..

Pretty much the reason I have all tanks at 80 for the amaro but didn't bother learning how to play them properly. I'd be in Copperbell, tell the team I'm still getting it all under my belt and intentionally sticking to low dungeons to practice, and still get healers and dps running ahead and dumping more on me. So I noped out. Leveled with like MSQ and Deep Dungeon and other non-dungeon methods. Which was a shame for me, because I loved my Protection Paladin in WoW.

[Liam_Harper]

''YoU PuLl yOu TaNk!1!'' is the mantra of crappy Tanks worldwide, I used to be guilty of saying it myself in other games when I was younger until I got my head out of my bum and realized that there is no valid reason to actively hinder the group's advance by blatantly letting people die just because they tried to help make things go faster.

They're not helping the run go faster, they're being impatient. Unless they communicate and the tank is fine with it, it's just going to cause mess, especially if the tank paused for a few seconds to type or grab something. Both silent sprinting ahead then Rescuing/pulling and "you pull you tank" are toxic behavior. As a group, you either...

a.) Kick the tank for difference of playstyle (majority want to go faster than the current pace the tank is willing to do)
b.) Kick the dps/healer for disrupting the run when the majority are perfectly content with the current pace.

Either way, it's a majority rules.