Cutsence Skipping in MSQ Roulettes, by disconnecting

[ssunny2008]

So because you feel SE doesn't enforce some rules, they should add more rules to list of rules to ignore?

Given to the circumstances, SE clearly don´t do enough against such stuff. And yes, i do know about the montly banrates, which are normally goldseller and not gamer bots / exploituser. To ban someone because of castrum is a joke combined to everything else which happens in this game pretty often.

In case of farmbots, it´s not so hard to track them and you can find their core-user-accounts pretty easily. Just check out the market board for suspicious prices / stacks and or check out the trade history.
ACT / cactbots or housing glitch users shouldn´t be hard to find too. I´m pretty sure that you don´t need dozens of spyware, when something is interacting in a pretty obvious way with the game / servers.

Such stuff is not even a single written hack or something, it´s everywhere and there are internet sides where you get it. SE don´t even make any effort to close such sides.

Is this real ?
How can you blame and punish a customer for something clearly outside their control, instead of talking to them as first approach or removing the item?

You can’t expect them to buy more cashshop stuff in the future with that kind of actions. Amazing, no idea who decided that but they must be bad at customer relation and sales management.

Yes this is real, it was the Answer - Reprise roll. The bill wasn´t paid on monday, so i got banned at friday. I tried to login and got the standard "you´re account bla" message. I called them and he told me, that it was not paid for whatever reason. So i called my bank and they told me, that they had issues this day, so the online-payment was deleted from their system. I called SE again and told them, that it was a bank-issue and that i´ve uploaded some crysta, so they can take those 1,50€ away there and open my account. But no, it was not possible, it takes time. So i had to wait until monday, since nobody works on weekend at SE.
At the end i´ve asked about the lost abo-time and that it was obviously not my fault / on purpose. But something like a goodwill or real customer-service doesn´t exist there.

Had another thing with a statue from the shop, which got delayed thx to corona. I haven´t recieved any new infos or something after the 2nd date it should´ve arrived here, but atleast there i got my money back after 4 months.

[Jojoya]

I know the standard gaming rules, but there are none like "don´t disconnect in castrum". An exploit is something which gives you a huge advantage ingame. To skip a cutszene is no real exploit.
If someone is doing that in 3-4 cutszenes, ofc it´s super suspicious, but in the end, you might punish someone for perma dc´s caused by the provider. It´s not like you can kick such persons out of the group and all would be fine anyway.



It´s laughable what they do there. There are so many ppl cheating, exploiting, using cheats or bots and SE just ignores it on purpose. As long as you´re no chat spamming real money trader or some badass who´s insulting others in the mainchat, you won´t get banned anyway. I´ve reported more than enough ppl who abuse different bots.
No matter if it´s something like cactbot or the farmbot, whatever. They´re still playing and have x 9999 stacks of polycrystals in the AH. And nobody can tell me, that they´ve farmed that every day, just to sell them for 10 gil or less. Not to mention all those "savage / ultimate" - carry groups who´re free to advertise themselves in the game, just to get paid with real money via discord / paypal.
But hey, i got banned once because my bank fckd up online services, so 1,50€ for a music roll from the shop didn´t got paid. Did i got a message that something went wrong from SE´s side? NO! I needed to call them, still got banned for a couple of days until they got their 1,50€, meanwhile i lost paid time from the abonnement and you noone of them is available at weekends too.

Their "ban - priorities" and customer-service is a joke.


And if we´re talking about exploits in that way, what about "Hello World"?

It´s not like SE should fix such stuff immediately, but they don´t.

You probably should stop defending the disconnect exploit. No one, especially SE, is buying the excuses.

If someone does accidentally disconnect and return before the cutscene is completed, the correct thing to do is to wait for the rest of the party to finish the cutscene.

By engaging the boss, you are intentionally disrupting the game experience of the other party members. That boss fight is just as much a part of the dungeon experience as the cutscenes. Such intentional disruptions are against the Terms of Service and players have been banned for cutscene skipping when reported.

Just don't do it. If you dislike having to sit through the cutscenes that much, make the adult decision and choose other content instead to earn your XP and tomestones.

[ssunny2008]

Just don't do it. If you dislike having to sit through the cutscenes that much, make the adult decision and choose other content instead to earn your XP and tomestones.

I don´t defend it that way, i judge about SE and their poorly decision-making and incompetence to fix such exploits or to recreate stuff like castrum forever. If anything, i can understand ppl abusing it, but the fault is completely on SE´s side. Even in Mentor-roulette you can get into castrum and you get pretty much nothing for it.

That ppl report others for nonsense like this, won´t go in my mind too. Inner castrum is a nightmare for every newcomer, no matter if a cutszene is skipped or not and it´s not like they can´t watch those szenes again and again. If it´s THAT big issue, SE needs to do something. Getting banned for SE´s design-flawes is still a joke. But if it´s a thing in like 1/50 runs, who cares...

And just saying... (Don´t take it too serious, but it´s atleast the other truth.)... Other ppl force me to stay in a circle in front of some bosses while watching 1-5minute cutszenes. They disrupt my game-experience and steal a bunch of my gametime per day. Should i report them or should SE finally play cutszenes BEFORE someone joins a fight and AFTER the content is finished?
(Once we even stuck 10mins at the beginning of an alex-raid, because someone dc´d while joining and the game was too dumb to handle that.)

I don´t mind to wait for newbies 10s, i don´t mind to wipe an hour in mentor-roulette to an EX-primal with newbies and to teach them permanently. But the game-design with their unlimited cutszenes is a joke. Ppl shouldn´t report others for something like this, we all should beg for a better implementation of those hand in hand.
And i´m pretty sure that everyone will come early or later to the point, that they don´t want to wait again and again on 1 person the hundreds time.

[kiagenwa]

Why is MSQ a problem?
No one is forced to run it after their first run, and you can do other stuff while watching cutscenes.

It's not the end of the world if you miss MSQ when you don't have time.
Still, it's exp and gil rewards sure are alluring and it's one roulette I try to not miss.

Think about it. You work very little in this roulette. Most of the time you just stand around. I can cook a meal waiting for the big guy to finish talking lol
I don't mind having more such dungeon for the variety of it

[Jojoya]

And just saying... (Don´t take it too serious, but it´s atleast the other truth.)... Other ppl force me to stay in a circle in front of some bosses while watching 1-5minute cutszenes. They disrupt my game-experience and steal a bunch of my gametime per day. Should i report them or should SE finally play cutszenes BEFORE someone joins a fight and AFTER the content is finished?
(Once we even stuck 10mins at the beginning of an alex-raid, because someone dc´d while joining and the game was too dumb to handle that.)

They aren't disrupting your game experience. YOU are disrupting your game experience by queuing into roulette knowing that you may need to wait for other party members to finish viewing cutscenes before the duty can officially begin.

Some players need to start accepting responsibility for the consequences that come with the choices they make. If they do not like those consequences, they need to make different choices.

If you hate waiting on cutscenes. don't queue into a roulette unless you have pre-formed a party with all members agreeing to skip the cutscenes (MSQ roulette being the one to avoid completely since you don't have a choice).

I agree that players disconnecting while in cutscenes so the party is left waiting several minutes longer than necessary before a duty can start is a problem. I don't know if that's something that SE can fix, though. Maybe they could program the barrier to drop after X amount of time (time of longest cutscene by localization plus two minutes to account for slow loading as an example) instead of tying it solely to all party members completing the cutscene.

[MellowMink]

It's pretty amusing to have a serious cutscene play in the roulette's second dungeon while a boss is randomly shouting battle cries throughout said cutscene, yet only one person attacking the boss after reconnecting won't ensure that the boss is actually killed or even moderately hurt by the time the cutscene ends... and in some cases, the one person may end up dying as well.

[ssunny2008]

They aren't disrupting your game experience. YOU are disrupting your game experience by queuing into roulette knowing that you may need to wait for other party members to finish viewing cutscenes before the duty can officially begin.

That´s nonsense and you know it. You can even go solo into any instance and you´ve to wait 20s or so until the ring stops to arrest you there, just because of reasons...

When a cutszene takes longer than the whole bossfight, it´s serious game-issue. Watching the same cutszene 100 times again and again in savage while progging, is a serious issue too. Especially since the whole instance timer still moves on.
It´s not hard to plant those cutszenes to the moment, where you accept the quest and after you´ve finished it. It would solve a lot of issues, time and would get ride of such "exploit-abusers". We´re not playing a game to watch a film over and over again. We want to play.

Another thing is even about Loot. You´ve finished a fight and SE is like "Oh you need that? Please wait 3 minutes until everyone has finished his cutszene!". It´s not like they could set the szene AFTER the exit, no.

[Jojoya]

That´s nonsense and you know it. You can even go solo into any instance and you´ve to wait 20s or so until the ring stops to arrest you there, just because of reasons...

When a cutszene takes longer than the whole bossfight, it´s serious game-issue. Watching the same cutszene 100 times again and again in savage while progging, is a serious issue too. Especially since the whole instance timer still moves on.
It´s not hard to plant those cutszenes to the moment, where you accept the quest and after you´ve finished it. It would solve a lot of issues, time and would get ride of such "exploit-abusers". We´re not playing a game to watch a film over and over again. We want to play.

Another thing is even about Loot. You´ve finished a fight and SE is like "Oh you need that? Please wait 3 minutes until everyone has finished his cutszene!". It´s not like they could set the szene AFTER the exit, no.

I agree that it's a problem when a cutscene takes longer than the boss fight but how often does that happen outside of the ARR trials, Castrum and Praetorium? SE clearly learned their lesson on that point. We don't get those 5 minute long cutscenes anymore.

Same point with the loot, how often does that happen outside of ARR? Most of the long finishing cutscenes are in duties with no loot. You're free to leave immediately unless you're trying to fish for comms.

It doesn't change that you know going into the duty/roulette what to expect and you have the ability not to queue if it bothers you that much.

[Melorie]

I find it quite amusing that some people really have the patience to do that. Disconnecting, changing your language in order to gain seconds advantage is borderline stupid imo. It's easier to open a youtube video or netflix on the side and alt+tab instead of putting all that effort. If you're anxious to the point that you have to do that, do yourself a favor and don't queue for it. Honestly that's not even an exploit imo, have fun hitting the boss alone since you don't have patience to alt+tab for a few min I guess.

I also find that castrum&cia should be a solo instance and msq-roulette a roulette for all-msq-related dungeons, but it is what it is.

[Seera1024]

I agree that it's a problem when a cutscene takes longer than the boss fight but how often does that happen outside of the ARR trials, Castrum and Praetorium? SE clearly learned their lesson on that point. We don't get those 5 minute long cutscenes anymore.

Same point with the loot, how often does that happen outside of ARR? Most of the long finishing cutscenes are in duties with no loot. You're free to leave immediately unless you're trying to fish for comms.

It doesn't change that you know going into the duty/roulette what to expect and you have the ability not to queue if it bothers you that much.

Only a couple of dungeons have major story right before final boss besides the two that have unskippable cut scenes in them.

Thousand Maws of Toto Rak
The Stone Vigil.

Of the two, I only think that Thousand Maws of Toto Rak will be killed during the cut scene if it gets pulled early. At least to my knowledge. Though it's also really easy to accidentally get that fight started even if you weren't meaning to.

The rest are usually just quick cut scenes with nothing of any story importance to them.