The Healer changes for Endwalker are good

[IllyaPrisma]

Personally, everything I've seen so far has made me incredibly optimistic about healing in the next expansion. I haven't really seen any hype yet surrounding healers, and I believe there is plenty of reason to be excited.

Here are things that I noticed that peak my interest:

WHM is seen with 2 stacks of Thin Air
Displacement/Totem Healing
Holy/Misery Upgrade/Additional Skill

AST has Lord and Lady of Crowns returning as their own ability
Lord causes the enemy to flinch, signifying that it is likely AoE Damage
Lady causes what appears to be a healing affect on the Reaper, signifying AoE Healing
Divination is no longer tied to Seals
Seals provide AST a self buff
Meteor Shower also appears to be a damaging ability

SCH is being given an in-combat party-wide movement increase
It's funny to meme about, but the actual potential of this skill is incredible
I agree that SCH drew the short straw on flashy abilities however.

SGE is able to heal their designated target by dealing damage.
This is something I'm probably the most excited about, since this could be a platform for experimenting with Healers dealing damage in order to heal. (unlikely)

The numerous requests and complaints about complexity for Healer damage rotations has clearly been answered with a firm "No" on several different occasions, most recently in the 9/17 Live Letter. There are plenty of other things to be excited about with regards to Healing and we still hardly know anything.

[Karthunk]

Be careful with your optimism in this section of the forum. The natives are busy running around with torches and pitchforks.

[ExcogEnjoyer]

While the changes themselves are good in a vacuum, the problem is that they're changes that don't actually address the design contradictions of healers and the game itself, nor do they fix the issue of healers having only 2 buttons to press during downtime.

[Videra]

While the changes themselves are good in a vacuum, the problem is that they're changes that don't actually address the design contradictions of healers and the game itself, nor do they fix the issue of healers having only 2 buttons to press during downtime.

In essence, this.

SE may be saying 'No' to improving healer DPS/downtime options, but the developer can be wrong. And in this case, SE really is shooting themselves in the foot.

[WaxSw]

As someone else has pointed, those tools would be great on already well designed and fun jobs which is something healers arent

Its like having a great keyboard on a shitty 1995 pc, yes the keyboard may be the best ever made but wont change the fact that the pc you have can barely do anything.

[ItMe]

AST has Lord and Lady of Crowns returning as their own ability
Lord causes the enemy to flinch, signifying that it is likely AoE Damage
Lady causes what appears to be a healing affect on the Reaper, signifying AoE Healing
Divination is no longer tied to Seals
Seals provide AST a self buff
Meteor Shower also appears to be a damaging ability

Yeah, this shakeup to the cards seems pretty neat. I'm looking forward to getting my hands on it and am eager to see what more the media tour reveals~
Also, that Meteor Shower is gonna be bomb for gposing~
Also, I think it's pretty funny that both of the healers (AST and Sage) that emerged from the devs efforts to make Chemist are now self buffers.

SCH is being given an in-combat party-wide movement increase
It's funny to meme about, but the actual potential of this skill is incredible
I agree that SCH drew the short straw on flashy abilities however.

I admit, I find this ability quite confusing in concept.
Can you elaborate? What incredible potential do you see in it?



One of the big things that peaked my interest is how all the healers main DPS spells are gonna have shorter cast times.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means that Broil and the like will be like AST's Malefic in that the cast time is short but the cooldown is unchanged so you have weave room?
If so, damn, that's excellent news. I've always jived with that so much that after picking up AST the other healers have just felt awful to play for me. Everyone getting a built in chance to weave is really gonna open the role up for me and I'm excited to expand~

[IllyaPrisma]

Can you elaborate? What incredible potential do you see in it?

Imagine Group Speed Bonus and Damage Mitigation for Heavensfall ~
New Melee Uptime Potential and Prog Possibilities ~
The timing and placement of most mechanics is based on Damage Output and Character Movement Speed.
If you add an additional form of Movement Speed Bonus on top of sprint, mechanics become that much more manageable

[QooEr]

i agree that sage looks good and ast changes look promising, but if anything its because they got more stuff to do when not healing.

but beyond the QoL on the filler dps cast times, what did whm really get? the last thing whm needed was more healing. All for what, so i can spam even more glare?

The numerous requests and complaints about complexity for Healer damage rotations has clearly been answered with a firm "No" on several different occasions, most recently in the 9/17 Live Letter.

The devs arent infallible. remember how 5.0 monk was the iteration they were most proud of.

There are plenty of other things to be excited about with regards to Healing and we still hardly know anything.

Can you give some examples on these plenty of other things to be excited about regarding healing? With us getting more free healing (totally not an overblown niche btw) and dps getting more mitigation i can only see ourselves getting even more healing downtime as before. unless every savage fight in endwalker hits as hard as TEA, but we all know its not gonna happen.

[ToodlesElNoodles]

Ya, they said that at the beginning of the healing slide that healer dps spells (guessing specifically Glare and Broil) will be 1.5sec (assuming it’s still 2.5 sec recast per the Dosis tooltip).

Given SCH’s rep as the ogcd healer, this is amazing as you don’t have to do the Ruin 2+ED double weave to not be at a dps loss for missing out on a Broil.

I think SCH had 18 ogcds. AST has 16 (not counting Noct/Diurnal sect), and WHM has 9 (not including Fluid Aura).

AST already has a 1.5sec Malefic. A 1.5sec Broil is big for SCH. Boring. But big.

[IllyaPrisma]

Can you give some examples

I listed the things I am looking forward to. And when I said "other", I was referring to focusing on something other than the countless number of times the Devs have shot down healer damage complexity. That is referenced in the previous sentence.