RIP MNK 1.x - 5.x

[Andy_T93]

It's a multiplayer game, part of the challenge is working with other players. Report tanks for griefing if they refuse to stop spinning the boss, it works, and they get an un-eraseable mark on their account that can lead to a permaban. And honestly, report any player who griefs like this, because they bring down the quality of the gameplay experience for everyone else. I don't care how long they've played, I don't care how much time they've put into their character, they deserve the ban and can start all over again for being a jackass.

Speaking frankly though, that's a dungeon/alliance raids problem/normal raids roullette, which aren't really designed to test anyone's skill. If you're worried about parses during that content... you're probably stressing over absolutely nothing. Even the most uncoordinated groups can faceroll through If you're actually doing endgame content, a tank that is purposefully griefing their DPS isn't going to last very long in the group, and if they happen to be the person who started the group, people will leave it rather than deal with their BS.

Removing something from the game just because there's a set of players who will purposefully work to ruin the experience of others is not and should never be the correct solution for any job. Ban the players who are abusing others.

I never once suggested I think they do it purposefully I have met nothing but nice people in this game and don't believe people would do that. But if you have a tank who has never played a DPS role and perhaps don't understand the importance of positionals then they can't be blamed for not understanding. And I certainly wouldn't be petty enough to report them.

It doesn't matter what content i'm running. I want to do the best job that I can. Sounds like you re advocating purely from the PoV of endgame content but I would like to perform to the best of a jobs ability at all times and unfortunately with positionals they are sometimes out of the players hands

[IruruCece]

Sounds like you re advocating purely from the PoV of endgame content

This isn't really from a purely endgame perspective, and more from a "wanting to be engaged by the game" perspective. Positionals, in addition to the original GL system, is why I mained monk for two expansions. No other job felt the way monk did to me. I liked being on the move constantly, it encouraged aggressive play in a way that literally no other DPS does. That, and I can't stand jobs where I just stand and deliver.

Short of bosses putting up AoEs, or mechanics demanding you move out of melee range, or the aforementioned tank griefing, missing positionals is your fault. If you don't want to miss them, get better at them. Recognize there are times where you can't hit them no matter what, but that when you can, you should. That's what makes the difference between average monks and the ones who perform better than the rest of us.

From my perspective, you're advocating from a perspective of not wanting to actually put in the effort that players better than us do, while still wantiong to be rewarded just the same, and that's pretty terrible for any game, not just this one. SE spent literally years doing that for this and other jobs and none of it has actually worked anyway, while also adding onto the problems that multiple jobs still face going into Endwalker.

Also: if you have a tank that is new, explain to them how to do something if they're making mistakes that affect you as well. If you're not helping players when they make serious mistakes, especially in a raid setting, you might be content to just let them keep screwing over other DPS in the raid, but other players won't be. It also makes the concern you showed earlier for tanks spinning mobs endlessly feel pretty hollow. Why even bring it up? Is it or is not an actual problem? There are still going to be positionals in EW, and there will still be newbie or griefing tanks spinning bosses.

One of those you can correct. The other, you report and move on.