No love for Sch

[Tint]

The fact that SCH and Sage both have more Regens than actual Shields yet for some reason are referred to by the devs as the "Shield / Barrier" healer shows how disconnected they are from reality.

Yes and then comes WHM with his 500 potency, off-GCD and instant cast shield which is completely free and has such a short cooldown that it is basically ready for every tankbuster...

[Nethereal]

Yes and then comes WHM with his 500 potency, off-GCD and instant cast shield which is completely free and has such a short cooldown that it is basically ready for every tankbuster...

Wanna know the best part? They never even use it.

[Saraide]

Yes and then comes WHM with his 500 potency, off-GCD and instant cast shield which is completely free and has such a short cooldown that it is basically ready for every tankbuster...

WHM shield is not a group shield though. That's what makes a shield healer a shield healer.

[Alpheus]

I think the biggest thing that cut off any actual interesting ideas for SCH for 6.0 was the SMN rework, SCH is the only Job now with a pet AI that's in play for the whole duration of a fight so w/e server calculations (in terms of bandwidth for lack of a better word) had to be split before with the SMN/SCH is now just there for SCH, so outside of personal latency issues that is probably what will make Pet AI seem improved, and the Devs probably didn't wanna nuke pets wholesale for an expansion w/o having another Job(s) come in to take the reigns of "MMO Pet class". <--- This is my own random conjecture but if it is even remotely true, then just say that, it's better than just trying to laugh off being really honest about getting stumped (I appreciate their honesty though unless if that was really a mistranslation) and then not addressing pet ghosting or pet potency or getting locked out of your other skills cuz you used these other other skills when they said at the start of the live letter that they weren't really pressed for time.

Again I'm sure SCH will be fine (outside of what the player-base will settle on optimal healer comp because again this is the first expansion where there's an actual choice between SCH and an alternative) but I do wish some more communication was given even if all it would ultimately do is allay concerns of being heard and not any concerns people had with the Job itself. But I'll reiterate I think SCH will be fine as a whole, but whether it keeps it's position of "you really would rather have a SCH in your raid lineup somewhere for both progging and clearing" well. we'll see how that shakes out with Sage on the block.

[RyuDragnier]

The fact that SCH and Sage both have more Regens than actual Shields yet for some reason are referred to by the devs as the "Shield / Barrier" healer shows how disconnected they are from reality.

The only regens SCH has are the fairy (cannot be controlled, unreliable on who she'll aim for in most cases), the fairy's regen ability (one of our few reliable), Sacred Soil (shares resources with 4 other abilities), and Fey Union (only effects 1 target, using any other fairy skill will shut it off, have to build up gauge to use it). That's 4.

Shield/Barrier wise we have Sacred Soil, Succor, Adlo, Seraph, Consolation, and Fey Illumination. That's 6, 7 if you include Excog into that (even though it's more time delayed HP heal than anything). I understand the complaints about the amount of "regen" SCH has, but don't blow it out of proportion.

[Dreamsoap]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to re-summon the fairy after every wipe. But at least now I get to... run a little faster.

[Jettinson]

I was hoping I wouldn't have to re-summon the fairy after every wipe. But at least now I get to... run a little faster.

It's the most miserable feeling.
Still not sure with movement speed in combat, it can be good but also very bad depending on fights, even a griefing tool in a way if i want to exaggerate.

Either way, whatever else SCH might get in EW, they did a horrendous job showing. Flashy or not, WHM getting a healing totem got people more attention and excitment than whatever was shown with SCH for example.

[Schan]

The only regens SCH has are the fairy (cannot be controlled, unreliable on who she'll aim for in most cases), the fairy's regen ability (one of our few reliable), Sacred Soil (shares resources with 4 other abilities), and Fey Union (only effects 1 target, using any other fairy skill will shut it off, have to build up gauge to use it). That's 4.

Shield/Barrier wise we have Sacred Soil, Succor, Adlo, Seraph, Consolation, and Fey Illumination. That's 6, 7 if you include Excog into that (even though it's more time delayed HP heal than anything). I understand the complaints about the amount of "regen" SCH has, but don't blow it out of proportion.

As much as I am trying to stay out of this because I would rather play the job before I start complaining I have to jump in to address the amount of missinformation you've just put out there.

It seems that you are considering any "reduces damage taken" abilities a "shield" and therefore inflating the amount of shields Scholar has access to.

A shield could be explained as increasing your max hp. If you throw a shielding ability on someone with max hp the shield bit will be effectively count as added hp that could not be there had you used a regen or a direct heal. Usually seen ingame as a yellow bar above someone's HP.

Any ability that makes people take less damage or debuffs the boss so they hurt peolpe less without effectively increasing their max HP we usually refer to as "mitigation"

Under these definitions, Sacred Soil and Fey Illumination are NOT shields but mitigation tools. Furthermore I don't understand why you threw Excogitation in there as potentially another shield. It's a conditional heal which has nothing to do with shielding or even reducing the damage taken. Regardless, they still have more shields and mitigation tools available to them than regen healers do.

I find it unfair that you accuse people of blowing things out of proportion when you willingly or unwillingly skewed the number of shields available to prove them wrong.

Still regardless of how reliable the regens are the fact is Scholar has 4 regens baked into their kit as you have pointed out correctly, while White Mage who was (is?) the poster healer for regen healers has 3 - Regen, Medica II and Asylum.
It also has the same amount of regens as Diurnal Sect Astrologian (Aspected Benefic, Aspected Helios, Celestial Opposition, Collective Unconscious)

[Euphares]

Noct AST beats SCH in everything except personal dps and mitigation. It has more consistent shields with less micromanaging, it heals more, it has an instant single target heal that

If SCH provides tools that the other healers do not and cannot be found anywhere else, than it has value and a strong identity.


Currently, no other healer in the game can provide the same amount of mit with the same uptime. Noct Bubble is considerably worse than soil and worse than its Diurnal counterpart, considering regen ast still gets the mitigation while noct doesn't get the regen unless it channels.

Healing for more stops being a perk when its understood that every healer has an abundance of healing, but no content requires all of it. Mitigation is what groups value as it nullifies the need to GCD heal which is why SCH is currently favored.

Art of War is considerably better than Gravity as well in fights where healer damage actually matters (TEA for example.)


Furthermore, Noct Ast is being removed entirely and we still have no idea what Sage will be like entirely but we do know that it is an offensive healer who heals through offense. Which is nowhere near treading upon Scholar's territory or identity. So SCH essentially has zero competition for its niche (which is intended.)



Which brings me back to my original point; currently the job is strong and being picked frequently > it receives little changes and the new healer has a different identity > logic would dictate that SCH will continue to have a strong identity and excel at what it is good at > it doesn't need a rework.


Again the only point that I can agree with in regards to needing an overhaul is the pet AI because its currently really broken, but I have to reiterate that this has nothing to do with Scholar's identity or design.

[Deceptus]

WHM shield is not a group shield though. That's what makes a shield healer a shield healer.

TIL that Warriors (shake it off) and PLDs (Divine Veil) are shield healers /s

Shield/Barrier wise we have Sacred Soil, Succor, Adlo, Seraph, Consolation, and Fey Illumination. That's 6, 7 if you include Excog into that (even though it's more time delayed HP heal than anything). I understand the complaints about the amount of "regen" SCH has, but don't blow it out of proportion.

You say I blow things out of proportion but you somehow include Seraph (A pet?), Sacred Soil (mitigation) and Fey illumination (magic mitigation) as Shields.

Scholars have access to three shields.

Adlo - a 375 potency chield
Succor (a weak aoe shield at 225 potency)
Consolation (subject to the pet tax, 200 potency shield afterwards)

That's it.

And have access to 4 Regens (counting the fairy as a "regen")
Fairy / Seraph
Whispering Dawn
Sacred Soil
Fey Union