Last thing the world needs is to increase a player's financial burden in a videogame.

[Artemiz]

Right. I thought as much.

Lol, I'm not messing about to provide screenshots of data that's already out of date (and probably now unavailable) just to prove you wrong on something that almost everyone else of the forum knows you're wrong about. I gave you the best resource available (Universalis) so you can go and research everything yourself.

Treat yourself to some in-game education and learn about the economy you seem to have such a problem with.

[stilljustacatinacage]

Lol, I'm not messing about to provide screenshots of data that's already out of date (and probably now unavailable) just to prove you wrong on something that almost everyone else of the forum knows you're wrong about. I gave you the best resource available (Universalis) so you can go and research everything yourself.

Treat yourself to some in-game education and learn about the economy you seem to have such a problem with.

You're the one that made the claim. You're the one that supplies the evidence.

[Artemiz]

The capacity to earn has increased.

Higher prices are not bad in of themselves. The capacity for a person to purchase is what's important, and with the various systems that are in the game, combined with the state of the markets - that haven't supported 200k rings in ages despite your protestations - means very few items are out of reach of an invested player.

I didn't mention 200k rings, you did.

Inflation has to be controlled, if you can't understand that then there isn't much more anyone can say to you. In the real world, countries collapse when inflation gets out of hand, in the game world games do the same. There are many examples of games where rampant inflation has completely ruined a game and developers, quite rightly so, like to be able to influence it before it gets out of control. It's much easier to control it now, than once it starts to get out of hand.

[Artemiz]

You're the one that made the claim. You're the one that supplies the evidence.

No, because we aren't having a debate. I tried to point you in the right direction as you clearly have no clue about the economy in this game. You don't want it, cool. Have a nice day.

[redheadturk]

You seem to be missing the point. Even in this "buyers market" prices, and profits are far higher now than during the "manufacturers market"

What market force do you think might have contributed heavily to that?

On the contrary, aside from the first two or three weeks after a patch drops with new gear recipes, prices on average have been lower and they honestly should be. It used to be you could pay the same for a full set of crafted gear as you did for a medium house which IMHO is pretty ridiculous.

Edited to add: as someone who has played since the HW patch cycle, I know well how expensive crafted once was, having had to scramble to get my item level high enough just to continue with the patch story.

[kaynide]

I'm not interested in engaging with you. I've explained why doing more work to offset the tax defeats the entire purpose of the tax, rendering it useless and thereby making it a simpler job to just not introduce it already.

I mean, that's fine, you do you.. but all I've really gotten out of this is that you're unhappy with having to pay more money with your 100+ teleports per week doing the hunt.

There is no "more work to offset the tax". Additional options are continually added to make gil, which each person can decide what to do with. More gil is being made and circulating the server than is being removed. This was an easy solution.

For those of us NOT doing 100+ teleports per week, we can keep that extra gil. Again, given the choice between a new gil source and increased tax, or just keep things as they are with no new source, I want the new gil source. I teleport like..what.. 5 times a week?

[stilljustacatinacage]

I didn't mention 200k rings, you did.

Inflation has to be controlled, if you can't understand that then there isn't much more anyone can say to you. In the real world, countries collapse when inflation gets out of hand, in the game world games do the same. There are many examples of games where rampant inflation has completely ruined a game and developers, quite rightly so, like to be able to influence it before it gets out of control. It's much easier to control it now, than once it starts to get out of hand.

120k was actually reasonably reserved, some items were closer to 200k only weeks ago, and it was quite common to sell for up to 150k for accessories.

HMMMMmmmmm.

[Artemiz]

On the contrary, aside from the first two or three weeks after a patch drops with new gear recipes, prices on average have been lower and they honestly should be. It used to be you could pay the same for a full set of crafted gear as you did for a medium house which IMHO is pretty ridiculous.

Edited to add: as someone who has played since the HW patch cycle, I know well how expensive crafted once was, having had to scramble to get my item level high enough just to continue with the patch story.

15 million for a set of gear which will be out of date in a few months is crazy, fair enough. That sounds more like a spike in prices at the drop of new content though. The materials to make it would also be massively inflated but prices do always stabilize after a while.

[Artemiz]

HMMMMmmmmm.

200k RINGS

I wasn't talking about rings. If you really want to know, I was talking about main hand weapons. In that very quote I said accessories could go up to 150k so how you read 200k rings I will never know, rings are accessories.

[stilljustacatinacage]

200k RINGS

I wasn't talking about rings. If you really want to know, I was talking about main hand weapons. In that very quote I said accessories could go up to 150k so how you read 200k rings I will never know, rings are accessories.

Oh my bad. The market hasn't supported 200k main hands in the same amount of time, either.