Cutsence Skipping in MSQ Roulettes, by disconnecting

[ssunny2008]

So, its OK to break the rules then?

Which rules? There are none. It´s not even a real exploit and SE can´t determine if someone disconnect on purpose or not, unless they´re writing it in the chat.
Sometimes ppl just disconnect or a leaver is getting replaced with someone else via MSQ or Mentor-roulette. Of course it would be kind to wait then, but who does that? Ppl rush castrum anyway and in 9/10 cases newbies will die on the way, because they don´t know what´s going on.

SE just needs to stop to force ppl to wait for some cutszene-watchers or that we´ve to watch cutszenes over and over again. Problem solved.

[MrMagic]

Which rules? There are none. It´s not even a real exploit and SE can´t determine if someone disconnect on purpose or not, unless they´re writing it in the chat.

*disconnects during every cutscene

Nothing sus there.

[Melorie]

I find it quite amusing that some people really have the patience to do that. Disconnecting, changing your language in order to gain seconds advantage is borderline stupid imo. It's easier to open a youtube video or netflix on the side and alt+tab instead of putting all that effort. If you're anxious to the point that you have to do that, do yourself a favor and don't queue for it. Honestly that's not even an exploit imo, have fun hitting the boss alone since you don't have patience to alt+tab for a few min I guess.

I also find that castrum&cia should be a solo instance and msq-roulette a roulette for all-msq-related dungeons, but it is what it is.

[Anya_Synia]

Which rules? There are none. It´s not even a real exploit and SE can´t determine if someone disconnect on purpose or not, unless they´re writing it in the chat.
Sometimes ppl just disconnect or a leaver is getting replaced with someone else via MSQ or Mentor-roulette. Of course it would be kind to wait then, but who does that? Ppl rush castrum anyway and in 9/10 cases newbies will die on the way, because they don´t know what´s going on.

SE just needs to stop to force ppl to wait for some cutszene-watchers or that we´ve to watch cutszenes over and over again. Problem solved.

It is a real exploit and yes people do get punished for it.

[Kirika-]

Which rules? There are none. It´s not even a real exploit and SE can´t determine if someone disconnect on purpose or not, unless they´re writing it in the chat.
Sometimes ppl just disconnect or a leaver is getting replaced with someone else via MSQ or Mentor-roulette. Of course it would be kind to wait then, but who does that? Ppl rush castrum anyway and in 9/10 cases newbies will die on the way, because they don´t know what´s going on.

SE just needs to stop to force ppl to wait for some cutszene-watchers or that we´ve to watch cutszenes over and over again. Problem solved.

Yes, it is against the rules. That are laid out, go read them, as you do state that you did so when you signed up for the game.
Yes, they are enforced.

It is completely trivial, for both SE and anyone who has played this game long enough, to tell the difference between someone accidentally disconnecting or if it's someone using a different language and therefor getting a shorter cut scene time, and someone exploiting the game mechanics to cheat. Even easier to report said players by name and server for breaking the rules, while in game, and it only takes a minute to do.
And, yes, they DO take action against said cheaters.

The non-skip-able cut scenes are for only two MSQ instances, and are in place for the benefit of first time players of them and are compensated for in exp, gil, and tombstones at a higher rate that any other dungeon or roulette.

If you do not want to watch the cut scenes, then you do not get the rewards. If that is what you want, don't queue for them. Problem solved.

[ssunny2008]

Yes, it is against the rules. That are laid out, go read them, as you do state that you did so when you signed up for the game.
Yes, they are enforced.

I know the standard gaming rules, but there are none like "don´t disconnect in castrum". An exploit is something which gives you a huge advantage ingame. To skip a cutszene is no real exploit.
If someone is doing that in 3-4 cutszenes, ofc it´s super suspicious, but in the end, you might punish someone for perma dc´s caused by the provider. It´s not like you can kick such persons out of the group and all would be fine anyway.

And, yes, they DO take action against said cheaters.

It´s laughable what they do there. There are so many ppl cheating, exploiting, using cheats or bots and SE just ignores it on purpose. As long as you´re no chat spamming real money trader or some badass who´s insulting others in the mainchat, you won´t get banned anyway. I´ve reported more than enough ppl who abuse different bots.
No matter if it´s something like cactbot or the farmbot, whatever. They´re still playing and have x 9999 stacks of polycrystals in the AH. And nobody can tell me, that they´ve farmed that every day, just to sell them for 10 gil or less. Not to mention all those "savage / ultimate" - carry groups who´re free to advertise themselves in the game, just to get paid with real money via discord / paypal.
But hey, i got banned once because my bank fckd up online services, so 1,50€ for a music roll from the shop didn´t got paid. Did i got a message that something went wrong from SE´s side? NO! I needed to call them, still got banned for a couple of days until they got their 1,50€, meanwhile i lost paid time from the abonnement and you noone of them is available at weekends too.

Their "ban - priorities" and customer-service is a joke.


And if we´re talking about exploits in that way, what about "Hello World"?

It´s not like SE should fix such stuff immediately, but they don´t.

[Kirika-]

I know the standard gaming rules, but there are none like "don´t disconnect in castrum". An exploit is something which gives you a huge advantage ingame. To skip a cutszene is no real exploit.
If someone is doing that in 3-4 cutszenes, ofc it´s super suspicious, but in the end, you might punish someone for perma dc´s caused by the provider. It´s not like you can kick such persons out of the group and all would be fine anyway.

■Behaviour that disrupts the game balance
■Misuse of flaws

https://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?id=5382&la=1&kid=68216

[ssunny2008]

■Behaviour that disrupts the game balance
■Misuse of flaws

https://support.na.square-enix.com/faqarticle.php?id=5382&la=1&kid=68216

Yes and?

Why are all those botters not banned? "- Automating gameplay processes."

Why isn´t half of the players not banned for using ACT and cactbot? "- Modifying, analysing, integrating, and/or reverse engineering game software or data."

Why is the other half not banned for the housing tool? "- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game."
(or even all the glitches)

I guess, because the game wouldn´t have any players left.


SE´s judgement about all that stuff is highly questionable. Too punish players to finish castrum faster, content which is one of the worst things in the games history, is just laughable. Even if it´s not skipped, not any newcomer will enjoy it.

[Seera1024]

Yes and?

Why are all those botters not banned? "- Automating gameplay processes."

Why isn´t half of the players not banned for using ACT and cactbot? "- Modifying, analysing, integrating, and/or reverse engineering game software or data."

Why is the other half not banned for the housing tool? "- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game."
(or even all the glitches)

I guess, because the game wouldn´t have any players left.


SE´s judgement about all that stuff is highly questionable. Too punish players to finish castrum faster, content which is one of the worst things in the games history, is just laughable. Even if it´s not skipped, not any newcomer will enjoy it.

So because you feel SE doesn't enforce some rules, they should add more rules to list of rules to ignore?

As for ACT, they've stated that they can't tell when someone is using it or not unless they basically put spyware on your computer to do so and they don't feel that that is right. So they ban when people mention it in chat and get reported for it. I'd imagine cactbot is along the same lines.

Bots they ban in waves to try to keep botters from figuring out what part of their bots code got them discovered.

The cut scenes in those two MSQ dungeons were made unskippable because new players before were either kicked in cut scene or would jump from cut scene to cut scene until the dungeon is finished or have no context for the fights they are fighting inside of those dungeons. Those cut scenes also make very little sense outside of the context of where you are in the dungeons so players can't just go rewatch in the inn afterward and get caught up without confusion being added.

Is it a perfect solution? No. But it is the next best solution to it being a solo duty.

And while they may be working on a solo instance version of it, it's probably something low on the priority list given the resources they have are probably better spent working on new content.

[Jojoya]

I know the standard gaming rules, but there are none like "don´t disconnect in castrum". An exploit is something which gives you a huge advantage ingame. To skip a cutszene is no real exploit.
If someone is doing that in 3-4 cutszenes, ofc it´s super suspicious, but in the end, you might punish someone for perma dc´s caused by the provider. It´s not like you can kick such persons out of the group and all would be fine anyway.



It´s laughable what they do there. There are so many ppl cheating, exploiting, using cheats or bots and SE just ignores it on purpose. As long as you´re no chat spamming real money trader or some badass who´s insulting others in the mainchat, you won´t get banned anyway. I´ve reported more than enough ppl who abuse different bots.
No matter if it´s something like cactbot or the farmbot, whatever. They´re still playing and have x 9999 stacks of polycrystals in the AH. And nobody can tell me, that they´ve farmed that every day, just to sell them for 10 gil or less. Not to mention all those "savage / ultimate" - carry groups who´re free to advertise themselves in the game, just to get paid with real money via discord / paypal.
But hey, i got banned once because my bank fckd up online services, so 1,50€ for a music roll from the shop didn´t got paid. Did i got a message that something went wrong from SE´s side? NO! I needed to call them, still got banned for a couple of days until they got their 1,50€, meanwhile i lost paid time from the abonnement and you noone of them is available at weekends too.

Their "ban - priorities" and customer-service is a joke.


And if we´re talking about exploits in that way, what about "Hello World"?

It´s not like SE should fix such stuff immediately, but they don´t.

You probably should stop defending the disconnect exploit. No one, especially SE, is buying the excuses.

If someone does accidentally disconnect and return before the cutscene is completed, the correct thing to do is to wait for the rest of the party to finish the cutscene.

By engaging the boss, you are intentionally disrupting the game experience of the other party members. That boss fight is just as much a part of the dungeon experience as the cutscenes. Such intentional disruptions are against the Terms of Service and players have been banned for cutscene skipping when reported.

Just don't do it. If you dislike having to sit through the cutscenes that much, make the adult decision and choose other content instead to earn your XP and tomestones.