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  1. #161
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    Roeshel's Avatar
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Oh no you don't.
    But you do. I am half right and half wrong. Let it go
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  2. #162
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    MintnHoney's Avatar
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    Aylin Bielawska
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    Adamantoise
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    But you do. I am half right and half wrong. Let it go
    ...Which still makes you wrong.
    Honestly, at this rate, you're just adding to the disappointment that the Liveletter will end up being. Which is likely why you're doing this, but, still.
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  3. #163
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Quote Originally Posted by MintnHoney View Post
    ...Which still makes you wrong.
    Honestly, at this rate, you're just adding to the disappointment that the Liveletter will end up being. Which is likely why you're doing this, but, still.
    And it still makes me right and her wrong. Can you get to #1 without Lucid dreaming? Yes, you can. Does Lucid dreaming affect BLM optimization? Yes, it does.
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  4. #164
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    Sebazy's Avatar
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
    World
    Ragnarok
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    And it still makes me right and her wrong. Can you get to #1 without Lucid dreaming? Yes, you can. Does Lucid dreaming affect BLM optimization? Yes, it does.
    I never said you couldn't land a #1 without lucid afaik? I've been very clear in my opinion that these sort of tricks are marginal gains and I also specifically stated that crit luck can easily overturn all these little min max tricks. If my memory serves me correctly, I think that PPPs were even less of a DPS gain than WHM cane slapping (Which is in turn less than half the dps of book slapping). Didn't stop us carrying bags full of them for raid day.

    I simply took umbrage with your response to Noblewinter's post which also claimed that this board is full of incorrect information whilst in turn posting misinformation of your own.

    Don't get me wrong, if Noblewinter had have claimed that all blms used Lucid and that it was an essential part of the 5.x rotation then this wouldn't even be a discussion, but they specifically stated 'outlier blms' which is a pretty fair way to describe it no?

    The official forums will never be the gospel when it comes to true top tier min maxing simply because most of the min maxing forum posters got banned in the past. I personally got lucky with just a temp ban for making a guide on how to do 1k DPS sustained as SCH in Neverreap and Fractal at the very start of 3.0, the video had a plain text counter in it to validate what I was doing which promptly triggered the ban hammer. A lot of FC mates weren't so lucky and either got perma bans or just lost any interest in the theory craft here with the temp ban.

    Anyway, I'm done with this topic. Hopefully it doesn't end up as the highlight vs whatever scraps we get from the Live Letter.
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  5. #165
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    Boizinho's Avatar
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    Cora Eudestand
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Lucid Dreaming is a magical DPS role skill and where are they using it? It doesn't even work on BLM in astral fire state.
    This is what you said in the first place. It was pointed out that "outlier BLMs use it during Umbral Ice" which is a valid, although incredibly niche, application. Both RDM and SMN can Raise, so Lucid Dreaming has a very obvious use case for the other two. Especially when you consider that Raise is basically the only reason healers use Lucid Dreaming too (aside from floor tanking). RDM's rotation is also still slightly MP-negative if you never use Lucid Dreaming. It's literally part of the rotation.

    So yes, BLM uses it the least by far, but it's far from useless for the magical DPS role to have Lucid Dreaming. You're not half right just because you moved the goalposts.
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  6. #166
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Boizinho View Post
    This is what you said in the first place. It was pointed out that "outlier BLMs use it during Umbral Ice" which is a valid, although incredibly niche, application. Both RDM and SMN can Raise, so Lucid Dreaming has a very obvious use case for the other two. Especially when you consider that Raise is basically the only reason healers use Lucid Dreaming too (aside from floor tanking). RDM's rotation is also still slightly MP-negative if you never use Lucid Dreaming. It's literally part of the rotation.

    So yes, BLM uses it the least by far, but it's far from useless for the magical DPS role to have Lucid Dreaming. You're not half right just because you moved the goalposts.
    Yeah, you are right.
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  7. #167
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    Caitlyn's Avatar
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    Geistherz Gungnir
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    Shiva
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    Sage Lv 100
    My wishlist for Astrologian:

    Card-Changes:
    1. Cards should count, even when the encounter isnt started yet or you didnt hitted the boss already. Sometimes, your card doesnt count, even when you hit the boss during the pull.

    2. Cards should be AoEs. That makes it more comfortable, because you dont need to select a target and the healer cant favor a specific player. That way, everyone get the buff.


    Damage-Changes:
    1. Make gravity like holy (without the stun). WHM can spam holy much faster, in a bigger range and without getting interrupted, when a selected target dies during the cast.
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    - Queen of Heal 2022 -
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    Damit du als Queen of heal natürlich deine königlichen Wünsche erfüllt bekommst. ♥
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    Ich finde es eh schon krank, dass du Paules Zitat ungefragt verwendest und ich weiß, dass du nie eine Erlaubnis dafür bekommen hast!

  8. #168
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    Jira Dal'riata
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    Ultros
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    Bard Lv 100
    Pretty dam low, unless EW starts a trend that enhances jobs rather than reduce them because “Asriel Strife” said keeping up a dot is too much work
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  9. #169
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    Source Eldion
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    Faerie
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jirah View Post
    Pretty dam low, unless EW starts a trend that enhances jobs rather than reduce them because “Asriel Strife” said keeping up a dot is too much work
    God damn its so hard to push a singular button every 30 seconds
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  10. #170
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    Cora Eudestand
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    Malboro
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    Red Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlyn View Post
    1. Cards should count, even when the encounter isnt started yet or you didnt hitted the boss already. Sometimes, your card doesnt count, even when you hit the boss during the pull.
    I think it's very deliberate that this isn't the case and I can't see it changing. If cards played outside of combat counted towards Divination, a lot of people would be making it a habit to wait at least 90 seconds between pulls to get 2 draws + sleeve draw + 1 more draw and possibly even waiting another 30 seconds after that so that you could draw immediately after playing the banked card.
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