Idea to make DF raids less annoying for tanks.

[Nishira]

Is it such a common issue, provoke wars and lack of consensus on who will MT? I have no experience here with endgame content, in the few 24 man raids I have done the most geared tank usually naturally ended up as MT and in the 8 man trials it has always been quickly discussed and decided in a friendly manner before diving in. In that content, from the little I’ve experienced of it, it seemed to sort itself out very easily. But I say that from a non-tank perspective, and with no experience in endgame and such.

I can imagine if they are things a tank bumps into quite often, that it may seem like something that could use addressing one way or another.

[Saraide]

Imagine caring about who tanks in DF content.

[RitsukoSonoda]

In 24 player raids, if I queue as a tank. I tank everything. There isnt a discussion or anything about it. I just leave tank stance on and generate more enmity than the other tanks. Even when they try to do the provoke war they only hold it for a second or 2 before losing it back to me. When I don't queue these as tank usually either someone does what I do, or we have those situations where its like 3 children trying to claim a stuffed animal by having a tug of war.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

... which gets even funnier/sadder when you remember that he's always going on about how important it is in other topics

Honestly, it's getting really old. That's why I love [Rescue]! I can yoink to safety people without communicating!

Now just imagine the thought process that lead to these paragraphs.

That's very aneurysm-inducing, it's too much for me to handle. Thanks though!

It takes like 5 seconds... "Hey insertname you want to MT or would you like me to MT?" Boom done

That's exactly what they're trying to avoid: communicate, lol.

[Aurida]

I can imagine if they are things a tank bumps into quite often, that it may seem like something that could use addressing one way or another.

It's very, very not. It's a problem you might actually have to deal with maybe every one in one hundred runs of someone not knowing or practicing proper etiquette- normally you just watch the other person. If they put stance up, they're gonna MT. if they don't, and you do, then you're MT. If you pull the boss and are doing MT stuff and the other person is spamming provoke, then they either need to be taught a lesson about
A) the usage and nuance of the ability itself,
B) unspoken tank etiquette between MT/OT,
or C) that they're not immune to having the gingivitis slapped out of their mouth, just like every other small pulling tank or zero dps healer or non-aoe freestyle DPS that you don't pay the sub of.

The only 'problem' this has ever created is when two people either really, really want to be MT (and so spend the entire fight provoke spamming like lunatics until one of them gets killed, or more commonly, the boss does) or really, really want to be OT (and so spend around 15 or 20 seconds before the pull waiting for the other guy to sack up) and that's not a problem that needs a specific hardcoded mechanical solution, especially not one like 'separate tank queues so that there's a specific queue just for tanks who don't do anything, and then arbitrarily gimp them if they experience a need to try,' nor does it need even a scantling of aesthetic 'mt/ot' visual difference for reasons which are seemingly obvious to every person here except one.

Let's not create a combat role just for tanks that don't want to tank, let's not open up mechanical differences between those tanks just because a small percentage of the player base is bad, and let's especially not gimp one tank's ability to take over for another in 8-man content because someone doesn't like getting provoked off of.

[TheRealQuah]

Guys, you're all falling for this bait. This guy is a well known troll

[LianaThorne]

This would get rid of that awkward "who's going to MT" moment at the beginning of every run; it would stop tanks from provoking back and forth mid fight for no reason and it would stop OT's from intentionally cleaving groups.

Not sure how this would stop tanks from wanting to play the "Who has the biggest genital" game with provoke but okay. They're not just provoking off each other for no reason btw, they're doing it to flex on other tanks and they want to play the "hero". You need to fix that mentality with tanking before that will change.

Same as OTs intentionally cleaving groups, you know trolls exist too right? I really don't see how this would stop that problem, if anything they'd just go MT and cleave the group lolol.

Talking to someone else for 5 seconds to find out roles shouldn't be a big deal. Or just do what I see most tanks do: whoever runs to the boss first gets to fight off the provokes and if they survive they get to be MT.

[Liam_Harper]

Guys, you're all falling for this bait. This guy is a well known troll

You'd think when on the very first page he said...

Nope, never once played a tank class in this or any game.

...people wouldn't get baited into arguing with him for 7+ pages.

[BaconBits]

We have to take Goji's sideburns away, the power has driven him insane and made him start this thread.

[JadedPurity]

Are you the sister of JadedSins?

@OP: can you explain where is the problem of having MT and OT in a duty? I dont understand it.

No idea who that is.