Revelations from Tales from the Twilight

[Steelbreaker25]

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The only thing is I don't really recall seeing any evidence that Emet-Selch did any experiments on Zenos. That sounds more like Varis' deal. I feel like Emet-Selch's focus was more on the macro-sized maneuvering of empires and wars than dealing with his offspring.

[Valorius]

The only thing is I don't really recall seeing any evidence that Emet-Selch did any experiments on Zenos. That sounds more like Varis' deal. I feel like Emet-Selch's focus was more on the macro-sized maneuvering of empires and wars than dealing with his offspring.

Only thing I remember is this line when Zenos talks about his dreams.



Translation from french : "few remember the Final Days so clearly, now. I wonder if Emet-Selch has a hand in it."

What does he say in other langages?

[Anonymoose]

What does he say in other langages?

Fandaniel wonders if Emet-Selch "hand a hand in it" or in English "found a way" (the question being "a way...to what?)

[Mieck]

The only thing is I don't really recall seeing any evidence that Emet-Selch did any experiments on Zenos. That sounds more like Varis' deal. I feel like Emet-Selch's focus was more on the macro-sized maneuvering of empires and wars than dealing with his offspring.

Emet was the Ascian responsible for Vauthry. He's not opposed to getting to grips with details like that. Also, on a purely speculative note, it could end up that Zenos was modified in the womb in a similar way as Vauthry.

[RyuDragnier]

Emet was the Ascian responsible for Vauthry. He's not opposed to getting to grips with details like that. Also, on a purely speculative note, it could end up that Zenos was modified in the womb in a similar way as Vauthry.

The question then becomes with what, and why? Emet's not as crazy as Lahabrea, so there's a method behind that madness, and an end goal. Was he attempting to create an artificial Ascian so it'd be easier to replace fallen Ascians? Was it part of the original plan for the 7th Calamity? Or was he attempting to bring back somebody he knew in an Unsundered body?

[Mieck]

The question then becomes with what, and why? Emet's not as crazy as Lahabrea, so there's a method behind that madness, and an end goal. Was he attempting to create an artificial Ascian so it'd be easier to replace fallen Ascians? Was it part of the original plan for the 7th Calamity? Or was he attempting to bring back somebody he knew in an Unsundered body?

Emet said, partly tounge-in-cheek in response to an insulting question from Thancred, that Ascians scheme every hour of every day. I'm sure they have hundreds of plans in play at any one time, and across all remaining shards. From a purely practical writing standpoint, those offer us multiple future plot threads - "uh, oh, Ascian scheme #253 has caused x catastrophe because no Ascians are around to manage them any more!" - but any, all, or none of our theories may be answered in 6.0.

As Koji would say, "Speculate, speculate, speculate!"

[Alleluia]

In the interest of speculation: Wonder how these stories are playing in to endwalker? Each protagonist will have a major(ish) part to play? I mean, Fordola and Yugiri seems easy enough, but Merlwyb? Her story could just be being used to introduce the idea of Lorens, but if she's got a big part, too, I'll be happy. Since this is the end of "season 1", I wonder if they'll be bookending the story as a whole with individual city-state storylines? We start with them in 1/2.0, so we end with them in Endwalker. One of the best things about Shadowbringers was that it made a point to tie in a bunch of threads from earlier in the story, making the entire story feel more like a cohesive whole. I can't imagine the finale not doing the same. Merlwyb (and the others) could play a major part then.

Also, guessing Lorens is going to possibly be the contact that gets us in to Radz-at-Han. Though Limsa has trade ties with Radz-at-Han, so we may not need a special contact. So, maybe he's our ride to Old Sharlayan.

Semi-related question: Do we know when the next lore panel AMA type event will be occurring? The ones where they take forum questions.

[SannaR]

The question then becomes with what, and why? Emet's not as crazy as Lahabrea, so there's a method behind that madness, and an end goal. Was he attempting to create an artificial Ascian so it'd be easier to replace fallen Ascians? Was it part of the original plan for the 7th Calamity? Or was he attempting to bring back somebody he knew in an Unsundered body?

One of my theories is Emet tried with Allag and maybe Zenos to try and get a body to have the same amount of aether that an Ancient would. After all the Allagans were just normal sized beings. Only after the resurrection of Xande did Amon get a few other ideas. Thus it would be natural to mess around and try again with a body and soul like Zenos.

[Cleretic]

In the interest of speculation: Wonder how these stories are playing in to endwalker? Each protagonist will have a major(ish) part to play? I mean, Fordola and Yugiri seems easy enough, but Merlwyb? Her story could just be being used to introduce the idea of Lorens, but if she's got a big part, too, I'll be happy. Since this is the end of "season 1", I wonder if they'll be bookending the story as a whole with individual city-state storylines? We start with them in 1/2.0, so we end with them in Endwalker. One of the best things about Shadowbringers was that it made a point to tie in a bunch of threads from earlier in the story, making the entire story feel more like a cohesive whole. I can't imagine the finale not doing the same. Merlwyb (and the others) could play a major part then.

Also, guessing Lorens is going to possibly be the contact that gets us in to Radz-at-Han. Though Limsa has trade ties with Radz-at-Han, so we may not need a special contact. So, maybe he's our ride to Old Sharlayan.

Semi-related question: Do we know when the next lore panel AMA type event will be occurring? The ones where they take forum questions.

I don't think the Lodestone stories have ever really played into future content... or current content, actually. They exist to fill out the world, and that's kind of all they do. I can only think of one instance where one actually introduced a character that had some level of importance in the future: Yotsuyu's Tales from the Storm story introduced Titus, who only had an unnamed presence before then (Varis' main opposition in becoming Emperor) and went on to barely have relevance in also being the father of Nerva (Zenos' main opposition in becoming Emperor). And even then, things got a little weird; that story mentioned Titus had no 'ready heir' like Varis had Zenos, which was a big argument against him, so there's an unresolved question of why exactly Nerva didn't count.

So generally speaking, while all the sidestories are canon, that doesn't mean they matter. It's like reading a news article from a city you're not in; there's no reason not to believe it's true, but there's also no reason to believe it should ever affect you.

I can totally understand why Merlwyb got one in this case, even though she's unlikely to matter any more than any other head of state in Endwalker. Because they seem to like doing one patch every expansion where they actually focus on a city-state's more regional political problems, and in Shadowbringers, that was Merlwyb. Personally, I'm looking forward to Endwalker finally having a story that, for once, focuses on how phenomenally horrible Gridania's politics are.

[Steelbreaker25]

In the interest of speculation: Wonder how these stories are playing in to endwalker? Each protagonist will have a major(ish) part to play? I mean, Fordola and Yugiri seems easy enough, but Merlwyb? Her story could just be being used to introduce the idea of Lorens, but if she's got a big part, too, I'll be happy. Since this is the end of "season 1", I wonder if they'll be bookending the story as a whole with individual city-state storylines? We start with them in 1/2.0, so we end with them in Endwalker. One of the best things about Shadowbringers was that it made a point to tie in a bunch of threads from earlier in the story, making the entire story feel more like a cohesive whole. I can't imagine the finale not doing the same. Merlwyb (and the others) could play a major part then.

Also, guessing Lorens is going to possibly be the contact that gets us in to Radz-at-Han. Though Limsa has trade ties with Radz-at-Han, so we may not need a special contact. So, maybe he's our ride to Old Sharlayan.

Semi-related question: Do we know when the next lore panel AMA type event will be occurring? The ones where they take forum questions.

Seems like they are touching on characters from each of our major allied factions? Merlwyb from Limsa Lominsa, Fordola from Ala Mhigo, and Yugiri from Doma. They each also tie into the background of the faction leads in some way, directly or indirectly. We'll see if the trend continues with Gridania, Ul'dah and Ishgard.