Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
How does my stance defend grooming? Can we say it is grooming if an adult was under the impression and knowledge that the person they were interacting with was a minor due to them telling them they were not a minor?

Clearly the adult did not have the intent the groom said individual. Now if the adult kept at it even after finding out they were a minor that is a different story. Though realistically what can SE do to prevent such situations from happening? It will always be reactive the action happens they will need to report said action to SE and possibly local authorities. What else does anyone expect a company and a community to do? Screen people on the mod discord ask for proof of age? That will not work since it is easy to get a fake ID. Block all mods? Still would not work cause trust me people will find work arounds. Even getting rid of all the NSFW hinted PF groups would not work they would simply just operate through discord and will just post discord links in PF.

Also please do not take what I am saying as defending the intentional seeking of engagement with minors. What I am saying though is a proactive approach to such things is not possible for a community to do. I will say yes if the potential harm to children does bother someone then maybe this is not the right game / community for them.

Though I will willing to admit that my view is rather dark considered I do not feel much sympathy or share much empathy for so it is hard for me to really understand exactly what you are feeling or a potential victim would be feeling.
There are people that intend to groom. You keep falling back on the minor being a liar line to make it sound that the people that ERP with a minor are all or even mostly doing so unintentionally and the minor is the real culprit. You are giving groomers every excuse in this thread to cover their tracks. "They lied to me" is all they have to say, because that is all you think they should have to say if caught. According to you, that is what the community must accept as okay. It's not. There are 18+ clubs that knowingly 'employ' minors.

Complaining about the fake ID thing is nonsense as is complaining about an altered voice in Discord. It's much easier to type in a false age than to do either of those things.