The cat's (or femhroth in this case) outta the bag

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

I just hope they make the faces for them as bestial as the males. If they can reject a male Hrothgar face for looking like a Miqo'te (somehow. It was mostly feline in appearance), then I feel they should do the same for the females. Furry beast race gotta make sense, otherwise it'll be more jarring than Au Ra o:

Im there with ya. Since its a Beast Race, it should look...like a Beast XD

[Iscah]

The mural you linked to doesn't even have arms and seems more like a loose interpretation of the character, designed so that you can go "Oh, that's what that thing from the first title card was" once you actually fight it ... so IDK why you're so dead sit on pointing at it.

And where are the arms on the drawn version of the character?

I'm reading both as "arms inside the machine puppeteering it".

That is, I'd guessed that about why her arms weren't visible in the new art and then I went back to find that mural and realised it has the same look to it, which explains something that was hard to interpret from the stylised mural.

I also think her "headdress" might actually be part of the machine as well – the metal colour is the same and the dark brown cloth that drapes around her neck seems to stretch all the way back to connect with the cockpit.

I think that shows a very flawed understanding of how clothing and models are made in this game on your part, as well as willful ignorance of the data provided numerous times.

Why assume "wilful" ignorance? I don't have access to data, but from observation, the Ruby Princess boss model is wearing the Thavnairian outfit, suggesting that models are interchangeable between NPCs and humanoid bosses.

Additionally, as people like to remind us in various discussions, all female models are derived from the Midlander with some stretching and resizing, which indicates that the same could be done again with another compatible model, presumably by whatever mechanism all gear is modified from the Midlander base in the first place.

Or they could have just created this model directly from the Midlander base too.

I never said my explanation was the only possible 1, I started out simply asking people to not do mental gymnastics to try to say that this is actually a Miqote (as that's clearly disconfirmation bais speaking). You took that and tried to paint a picture where in there are only 2 options, 1 that you made a grossy large assumption in bad faith and another that ignores all data surrounding this topic to brush it off. That "It's either A or B" was you.

Though I never said my explanation is the only one, I do think it's the simplest that doesn't ignore every bit of data we have available to us + makes the fewest baseless assumptions. "The Character was designed to be a Hrothgal up to the finalized art stage, this may be why she has a uniquely non-Femroe body, as she was supposed to be a Hrothgal" is a pretty tame line of thought. This is just a part 2 to my stance since the mural and Queen were revealed that "Oh, this Femroe has a body shape that looks just like these Hrothgar shrine maidens in the mural. This could be an indication of what Hrothgals will look like".

You seem dead set on thinking that the Queen's appearance has nothing to do with Hrothgar if my memory of the other thread is correct, so it's not a shock at all that this convo went this way.
Ehh, like I said many a time ... You do you.

Yes, this is resuming that conversation because, as I said, I think it's a massive assumption and yet there you were telling other people to apply the critical thinking process and not make assumptions.

Also, I went back to the post I quoted you from, and you weren't saying anything, at least clearly, about addressing the claims she was a Miqo'te. Just talking again about how Gunnhildr doesn't have a standard body and is clearly intended to be a Hrothgar.

[Imora]

I just hope they make the faces for them as bestial as the males. If they can reject a male Hrothgar face for looking like a Miqo'te (somehow. It was mostly feline in appearance), then I feel they should do the same for the females. Furry beast race gotta make sense, otherwise it'll be more jarring than Au Ra o:

Personally, I'm hoping for more like khajiit. Digitigrade legs would be bonus points but no one ever does those anymore. T.T

[Tsiron]

Personally, I'm hoping for more like khajiit. Digitigrade legs would be bonus points but no one ever does those anymore. T.T

I don't actually know if FFXIV has feet rigged to bend at the toes (probably not?) but if it did animating "digitigrade" races to always be tiptoeing would've been a decent, if lazy, compromise. Wouldn't look very good with most footwear most likely, but it wouldn't require refitting every single one to an entirely new model

[SherlottaEryut]

I don't actually know if FFXIV has feet rigged to bend at the toes (probably not?) but if it did animating "digitigrade" races to always be tiptoeing would've been a decent, if lazy, compromise. Wouldn't look very good with most footwear most likely, but it wouldn't require refitting every single one to an entirely new model

What I would like to see is shoes that gives the appearance of beasty digitigrade feet, I think that would be a good compromise.

[Alaray]

I just hope they make the faces for them as bestial as the males. If they can reject a male Hrothgar face for looking like a Miqo'te (somehow. It was mostly feline in appearance), then I feel they should do the same for the females. Furry beast race gotta make sense, otherwise it'll be more jarring than Au Ra o:

I agree, especially in a game already rife with the extremely cutesy-style characters anyone can already play. Variety'd be nice, and strong, scary hrothgar ladies would be dope instead of Miqo'te (Elezen Ver.)

[HollowedDoll]

I don't actually know if FFXIV has feet rigged to bend at the toes (probably not?) but if it did animating "digitigrade" races to always be tiptoeing would've been a decent, if lazy, compromise. Wouldn't look very good with most footwear most likely, but it wouldn't require refitting every single one to an entirely new model

Considering we float and wear sandals ontop of that, any kind of unique feet is out of the window.

[Tsiron]

What I would like to see is shoes that gives the appearance of beasty digitigrade feet, I think that would be a good compromise.

There's at least a couple that do, for example the Werewolf and Moogle costumes come to mind. A few are armoured too but I can't remember off the top of my head, I think it was the Warg sets?

Considering we float and wear sandals ontop of that, any kind of unique feet is out of the window.

It's a moot point anyway since I don't think FFXIV has jointed feet, as far as I can tell, but my point was they wouldn't have to model unique feet that way lol, it would've all been handled by the animations

[Allegor]

There's at least a couple that do, for example the Werewolf and Moogle costumes come to mind. A few are armoured too but I can't remember off the top of my head, I think it was the Warg sets?

Warg and Bonewicca (at least striking and casting from what I recall). The werewolf feet are still the most natural looking of the 3 anyways, even if they have those dumb shin protectors. Kinda wish Hrothgar got digitigrade paws on their starter gear much like how Viera got their 'Viera feet' with their heels.

I don’t think the starting gear for Viera is “Viera feet”. They look like normal feet in very tall heels that have fake claws on the end.

Because if they made it any higher, their legs would end up looking disproportionately short - either way, they're the tallest heels in the game and makes their feet quite noticeable.

[MikkoAkure]

Warg and Bonewicca (at least striking and casting from what I recall). The werewolf feet are still the most natural looking of the 3 anyways, even if they have those dumb shin protectors. Kinda wish Hrothgar got digitigrade paws on their starter gear much like how Viera got their 'Viera feet' with their heels.

I don’t think the starting gear for Viera is “Viera feet”. They look like normal feet in very tall heels that have fake claws on the end.