Can one truly be "carried" in an Ultimate Raid?

[ForteNightshade]

And while you can't do a true "carry" of UCOB due to certain mechanics like the towers causing instant wipes if someone screws them up, the DPS checks are lax enough that tank-only clears have been managed and a 7-man clear would be theoretically possible if not for the mechanics requiring a full party.

7-man clears have already been done. You just tank LB3 through Heavensfall and use another tank LB2 for one of the Morn Ahfs in Golden.

As for Rich. The whole uproar is ridiculous. Was he "carried"? Absolutely. He'll be the first to admit it. Does it matter? Not in the slightest. He still attempted to learn and execute every mechanic himself. And in the end, it really doesn't impact anyone else.

[Rae88]

As for Rich. The whole uproar is ridiculous. Was he "carried"? Absolutely. He'll be the first to admit it. Does it matter? Not in the slightest. He still attempted to learn and execute every mechanic himself. And in the end, it really doesn't impact anyone else.

One of the people who was trashing the clear on twitter deleted their account after being accused of buying their Ultimate clear. So I don't know why these people are mad. Maybe because Rich could get a group together without spending money? :S

[Gokki]

He got carried, yes.
He cleared it.
Who cares.

[Seraphor]

By all definition, he was carried. The other 7 players had all beaten it multiple times before. But what 'carried' means for Ultimate is a bit different from most other fights.
Basically all he's missing out on is having to deal with 7 other players who are also learning the fight at the same time.
Given that is one of the biggest hurdles and trials to overcome with progging Ultimates, and that it can lead to progs taking weeks of painstakingly dying to mechanics that weren't your fault, but the fault of one of the other 7 players, it's entirely fair to feel like "you" put more effort into clearing it than he did, you invested a lot more time. But it's not like he got the easy mode of the fight, he still had to deal with all of the same mechanics. So I'd say his 'shortcut' was the typical streamer privilege, cutting out the time investment that normal players usually have to power through with. There's no time for patience when you're streaming.
It's no different to when you had to wait in a queue for an hour to get into Orbonne for the first time, but your favourite streamer had 23 people already in PF waiting when he unlocked it. You can't get angry with other people being popular.

[Alaray]

discussion ends with: he earned it when he killed it.

anything else is just plain idiocy.

[ForteNightshade]

One of the people who was trashing the clear on twitter deleted their account after being accused of buying their Ultimate clear. So I don't know why these people are mad. Maybe because Rich could get a group together without spending money? :S

Funny thing is they found proof of that person buying their clear. Which is when they deleted the tweet and locked their account.

[Sotaris]

He cleared it, give him the congrats and move on its not that hard lol people really out here reaching.

Nah, better to move the goalpost cause he is/was a wow player AND dares to be friends with Asmongold.

[CKNovel]

One of the people who was trashing the clear on twitter deleted their account after being accused of buying their Ultimate clear. So I don't know why these people are mad. Maybe because Rich could get a group together without spending money? :S

Not going in any debate but the motive wasn't money.
Rich is quite popular these days and streamers such as Sfia saw an important growth in their viewerbase over the past weeks.

As Streamers, what they want the most is visibility. As weird as it can be, they are paid in visibility. Blame SQEX for not giving them the visibility they deserves.
And it's perfectly normal, their channel growth is their priority. It's supposed to be their job.

As for the twitter user, if we talk about the same I have in mind, they wanted to spread hate. It's good that the situation has been dealt with but let's not forget harassing is not the solution.

[Jin-]

Streamer privilege. Not that I care. Congratulations!

[Saraide]

Arent bought clears usually done by having one of the sellers pilot your account? So this streamer has definitely earned the title a lot more than any bought legend.