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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Probably the most widespread example of this would be the UWU gaol plugin, which automatically puts signs on players heads so that they don't have to solve the gaol mechanic themselves. Virtually every single UWU group uses this at this point
    tbf its an awful mechanic and the alternative is spending 3-4 weeks on it because there's always 2-3 people in a group that can't grasp placements. i don't blame anyone for resorting to cactbot/triggers for uwu gaols.

    same for everyone that uses triggers for Nael quotes in UCOB; its also an awful mechanic and nobody wants to read long sentences during a hectic phase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlachtga View Post
    tbf its an awful mechanic and the alternative is spending 3-4 weeks on it because there's always 2-3 people in a group that can't grasp placements. i don't blame anyone for resorting to cactbot/triggers for uwu gaols.

    same for everyone that uses triggers for Nael quotes in UCOB; its also an awful mechanic and nobody wants to read long sentences during a hectic phase.
    I kind of understand using plugins for communication heavy phases like gaols or tenstrike, particularly if you have mutes or people with accessibility issues.

    Nael quotes on the other hand are imo a huge part of the intended design of those phases, and they aren't even that difficult to read since you're essentially just doing pattern recognition for single words. Using cactbot to call nael quotes is 100% a crutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    I kind of understand using plugins for communication heavy phases like gaols or tenstrike, particularly if you have mutes or people with accessibility issues.

    Nael quotes on the other hand are imo a huge part of the intended design of those phases, and they aren't even that difficult to read since you're essentially just doing pattern recognition for single words. Using cactbot to call nael quotes is 100% a crutch.
    I agree with Nael quotes. People can learn Nael quotes themselves, especially since they nerfed her sentence length to only a few words. You also don't need much help for Tenstrike.

    As for Titan gaols, we DID have a mute player which caused so many issues when attempting to get through Titan. When they had gaols, we failed 100% of the time by no fault of their own. We've never had an issue with any other mechanic through Savages, UCoB, or TEA with them not being able to talk. It's a very poorly designed mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleImp View Post
    Nael quotes on the other hand are imo a huge part of the intended design of those phases, and they aren't even that difficult to read since you're essentially just doing pattern recognition for single words. Using cactbot to call nael quotes is 100% a crutch.
    its a simple trigger in ACT itself, not Cactbot.

    and i disagree its not difficult because EU is full of people with really poor English and the game supports only French and German (i don't blame SE for this too much, its really not feasible to get in a full translation for every language, but they could at least do Spanish imo)

    to native english speakers, scanning a sentence for two words and reacting in 5s isn't hard, but it might not be so for people where English is their 3rd or 4th language.

    i don't really care because my group unanimously decided to do TEA instead of UCOB after our UWU clear. But considering only 2 of my group (including myself) are native english speakers, i wouldn't fault anyone of them for using triggers for nael quotes if we ever go for UCOB. its a bad mechanic. it should've been a visual tell, not something that requires you to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlachtga View Post
    its a simple trigger in ACT itself, not Cactbot.

    and i disagree its not difficult because EU is full of people with really poor English and the game supports only French and German (i don't blame SE for this too much, its really not feasible to get in a full translation for every language, but they could at least do Spanish imo)

    to native english speakers, scanning a sentence for two words and reacting in 5s isn't hard, but it might not be so for people where English is their 3rd or 4th language.

    i don't really care because my group unanimously decided to do TEA instead of UCOB after our UWU clear. But considering only 2 of my group (including myself) are native english speakers, i wouldn't fault anyone of them for using triggers for nael quotes if we ever go for UCOB. its a bad mechanic. it should've been a visual tell, not something that requires you to read.
    I want Dutch as well, and Italian, and Swedish.. and Finnish.. oh, Danish please, Icelandic as well.. and Austrian. Add Greek and Turkish as well.. and Polish. And indeed Spanish as well. Let's be fair now, right?
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