Increasing number of players using 3rd party tools

[TheRealQuah]

Dude..honestly
ACT won't hurt anyone
WoW is bad today because they build a whole content based on hardcore players. They forced casual players to play as a hardcore and as a consequence the game is more competitive.
WoW is almost a MMO version of a MOBA.

FFXIV still a chill and lovely game. I do use ACT sometimes when i want to figure out how damage really works and ALSO i use XIVLauncher with some plugins. PLUS i use mods for BLM, DRK and NIN skills AND Gshade Angelite. No regrets

Here is a screenshot:
https://imgur.com/RK22H6a

So..how exactly my preferences are making your game worse?

Absolutely disgusting. It's mods like this that will destroy the game.

I can see a time where you won't be allowed into any end game group unless you are using a UI addon that shows your ping. And don't get me started on a mod that inserts a comma into damage values. That is peak cheating and completely ruins everything the game is about.

In all seriousness, there is absolutely nothing wrong with clientside UI mods, I don't know why people get so angry about how other people set up their UI.

Same as people who get angry about ACT and parsing. Just screams "Waahhhh, waahhhh, that person is having fun in a different way to me and that is not allowed".

Addons will never become required by endgame groups, simply because 99% of them are client-side cosmetic style things. And the 1% that are not, are condemned by the addon using community as cheating and generally avoided (XivAlexander being the only one I can really think of that's an unfair advantage - though can you even gain an unfair advantage in PvE where you are only competing against an AI)

All the people I see complaining about this, especially in this thread are casual players who would never touch end game content anyway.

[Elissar]

Absolutely disgusting. It's mods like this that will destroy the game.

I can see a time where you won't be allowed into any end game group unless you are using a UI addon that shows your ping. And don't get me started on a mod that inserts a comma into damage values. That is peak cheating and completely ruins everything the game is about.

You are trolling, ROFL
Loved your style.

[TheRealQuah]

You are trolling, ROFL
Loved your style.

Yep, I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous some of these people sound. Like the comment I've quoted below.
At what point is the community going to require you changing the colour of magic damage text to blue a pre-requisite to you entering a raid.
It's just fearmongering, and I think most of it comes from a place of envy at not being able to complete hard content and wanting to take down those who do.

Toxic casuals are and have been the biggest problem this game has. Far, far worse than any client-side addons that people like to use.

I like Yoshi P's statement on it. What is a third-party addon and where does it end? Is Excel an addon? A calculator? Discord? When he says they don't know what's on your computer and will never know, he is legitimising client side addons. That was him saying they were okay. The only thing I've seen them upset about is using mods to make lewd images of children in game (Ryne mostly).

I'd say it's a legitimate cause for concern.

SE doesn't support add ons and they're not actually legal to use, but that won't stop the community at large from requiring them if they become a common crutch for high tier content.

[Jadedsins]

Yep, I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous some of these people sound. Like the comment I've quoted below.
At what point is the community going to require you changing the colour of magic damage text to blue a pre-requisite to you entering a raid.
It's just fearmongering, and I think most of it comes from a place of envy at not being able to complete hard content and wanting to take down those who do.

Toxic casuals are and have been the biggest problem this game has. Far, far worse than any client-side addons that people like to use.

I like Yoshi P's statement on it. What is a third-party addon and where does it end? Is Excel an addon? A calculator? Discord? When he says they don't know what's on your computer and will never know, he is legitimising client side addons. That was him saying they were okay. The only thing I've seen them upset about is using mods to make lewd images of children in game (Ryne mostly).

Kinda weird since it is not real, so don't care people do that, whatever floats people boats. I guess the makers have passion and part of the chars are real to them in making the story. So it bothers them more...hey if they keep making good content with that mindset. I don't mind it.

I'm as casual as they come, and I think most casual people really don't care what raiders do or addons they use. The ones that say it is cheating or dislike it seems like a lot more because they are very loud or could be jealous console players who knows.. The only time we would have a problem, if they balance the content that we do around said addons, and they won't do it.


So if what you do and how you play will not hurt my content, or changes in the game, and I am WELL protected from being harass by players using it. I don't understand why people care, I feel like this is just a dumb sort of gatekeeping. If someone wants to use that combo addon that makes them hit the same button for a combo. Or chat bubbles. Why does that bother some people? It is weird.

[Goji1639]

Yep, I'm just trying to point out how ridiculous some of these people sound. Like the comment I've quoted below.
At what point is the community going to require you changing the colour of magic damage text to blue a pre-requisite to you entering a raid.
It's just fearmongering, and I think most of it comes from a place of envy at not being able to complete hard content and wanting to take down those who do.

Toxic casuals are and have been the biggest problem this game has. Far, far worse than any client-side addons that people like to use.

I like Yoshi P's statement on it. What is a third-party addon and where does it end? Is Excel an addon? A calculator? Discord? When he says they don't know what's on your computer and will never know, he is legitimising client side addons. That was him saying they were okay. The only thing I've seen them upset about is using mods to make lewd images of children in game (Ryne mostly).

Add ons aren't limited to cosmetics. World of Warcraft has a alot of add ons that read incoming packets and create logistic signals to basically walk you through every mechanic in the game, sometimes making you aware of mechanics before there's even any visual indication. Reading through some of this thread it sounds like ACT has plugins with similar functions. WoWs dedicated modding community could probably expand on that considerably.

I don't even really care since I don't plan to do progression in this game; and if I did I wouldn't mind using add ons anyways (I used them all the time in WoW). I'm just stating the obvious; Mods can be crazy performance enhancers and if they become pervasive enough then they'll be required for serious progression in most cases.

[MothKira]

I don't use UI mods personally, the base UI is completely fine for me. But i can't fathom why you'd care about how other player's UI looks. How does that affect you, just don't use them, live and let live. If some people enjoy customizing their UI, good for them.

Why people in this community feel the need to control how others should be allowed to enjoy the game, in a context where it doesn't impact anyone else, will always be beyond me.

[Recon1o6]

Honestly OP is right, market botting is out of control, hunt radar, the above mentioned pvp one, and that's not even getting into the mess that is ACT with all its functions.

some of these 3rd party tools are things that should be in the game already though. I'm talking that one that autofilters all the major gil sellers from chat/pf, the one that lets you see the actual centre of your hitbox, one that displays magic damage vs physical and that tool that shows you the actual hp number of enemies to name a few.

Would be nice if SE made a crackdown on the bots and act. Removing the market controllers, pvp win trading and some of the crutches all the raiders are using would make the game healthier in the long run

[Liam_Harper]

Would be nice if SE made a crackdown on the bots and act. Removing the market controllers, pvp win trading and some of the crutches all the raiders are using would make the game healthier in the long run

They will never fully ban ACT. Nor is it a crutch, it's a tool. I can guarantee top raiders using ACT would run rings around the average forum complainer and out-perform them in every way in almost any content even without it. The crutch argument is old.

Bots is a good point though and where the focus should really be. They need to crack down on those.

[LittleImp]

Nor is it a crutch, it's a tool.

While I generally agree that ACT is a good thing and brings a lot of diagnostic value to the game, certain extensions for it are definitely a crutch.

Cactbot reads mechanic tells for you, sometimes before they're even telegraphed in game. I know a bunch of players that are completely reliant on cactbot, to the point where they will literally refuse to raid on patch days because they're unable to do the fights without cactbots assistance.

Triggenometry can be used for arguably even more nefarious purposes, as it can send synthetic input directly to the game based on information it parses from the battle log. Probably the most widespread example of this would be the UWU gaol plugin, which automatically puts signs on players heads so that they don't have to solve the gaol mechanic themselves. Virtually every single UWU group uses this at this point.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

While I generally agree that ACT is a good thing and brings a lot of diagnostic value to the game, certain extensions for it are definitely a crutch.

Cactbot reads mechanic tells for you, sometimes before they're even telegraphed in game. I know a bunch of players that are completely reliant on cactbot, to the point where they will literally refuse to raid on patch days because they're unable to do the fights without cactbots assistance.

Triggenometry can be used for arguably even more nefarious purposes, as it can send synthetic input directly to the game based on information it parses from the battle log. Probably the most widespread example of this would be the UWU gaol plugin, which automatically puts signs on players heads so that they don't have to solve the gaol mechanic themselves. Virtually every single UWU group uses this at this point.

That's... A bit much...

I dislike the automated callouts as is, but since people can do them too (I used to call out every mechanic for the entire static during coil), I I live with that. But this is just too much.

I'm surprised all of the "doing it for the difficulty" people aren't up in arms about that.

We just set gaol priority when my group was doing WR. Didn't get past titan anyway, but it was less the gaols and more people just being unable to do mechanics in general.