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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by Awha View Post
    More or less when it comes to verbal abuse I to do not think the risk is worth the reward. Though if that means I do not care so be it, I rather just not let it get to me far easier to control own perception of a word.
    The phrase 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me' is easier said than done.

    It's an easy thing to say 'Just don't let it bother you.'

    But the mind is a traitorous thing and we all have varying level of sensitivities.

    At this point you're recommending that victims don't fight back. And that they should never fight back.

    I can't even wrap my head around thinking it's okay to let abusers go about their business.
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    It's typical NA culture. Insults are legal and free speech stays over everything else.

    Funny thing is, in Japan insults are not legal. In germany you can get up to one year or a fine for it.

    But yeah, NA loves to punish the wrong people and promotes guns and insults and uncivilized/unsocial behavior in general. It's sad, really sad.
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    Last edited by Ranaku; 08-24-2021 at 04:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    It's typical NA culture. Insults are legal and free speech stays over everything else.

    Funny thing is, in Japan insults are not legal. In germany you can get up to one year or a fine for it.

    But yeah, NA loves to punish the wrong people and promotes guns and insults and uncivilized/unsocial behavior in general. It's sad, really sad.
    Guy insulting NA complaining about how insults should be illegal.

    Big brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TTiscancer View Post
    Guy insulting NA complaining about how insults should be illegal.

    Big brain.
    I know it's hard to understand but telling the truth isn't an insult even if it hurts. It's just simply the truth.

    I mean you can for sure challenge me on my points, i am open for debates. But i don't think you can deny that NA is mostly known for having the worst prisons, much crime and even more gun violence.

    So yeah, it's funny. That is NA culture. And they bring it into the game too, only cause NA is basically still the wild west doesn't mean the rest of us just have to swallow it. And we don't and i am glad for that tbh. Glad that certain behaviour is actually not tolerated and punished.
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    I love lalafells. I draw fanart all the time to show that love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    I know it's hard to understand but telling the truth isn't an insult even if it hurts. It's just simply the truth.

    I mean you can for sure challenge me on my points, i am open for debates. But i don't think you can deny that NA is mostly known for having the worst prisons, much crime and even more gun violence.

    So yeah, it's funny. That is NA culture. And they bring it into the game too, only cause NA is basically still the wild west doesn't mean the rest of us just have to swallow it. And we don't and i am glad for that tbh. Glad that certain behaviour is actually not tolerated and punished.
    And now you're insulting me.

    You do not get to decide what is or isn't an insult. You should be permanently banned now, according to your own post so please, delete your account unless you're a hypocrite.
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  7. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxmiamorecadenza View Post
    The phrase 'sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me' is easier said than done.

    It's an easy thing to say 'Just don't let it bother you.'

    But the mind is a traitorous thing and we all have varying level of sensitivities.

    At this point you're recommending that victims don't fight back. And that they should never fight back.

    I can't even wrap my head around thinking it's okay to let abusers go about their business.
    I mean people say the whole sticks and stones thing, but the same people tend to have mental breakdowns very easily themselves.

    Obviously to some extent that is true but a lot of people take that and try to justify just being a jerk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    It's typical NA culture. Insults are legal and free speech stays over everything else.

    Funny thing is, in Japan insults are not legal. In germany you can get up to one year or a fine for it.

    But yeah, NA loves to punish the wrong people and promotes guns and insults and uncivilized/unsocial behavior in general. It's sad, really sad.
    It's always funny to see the same politicans and people in clips who get a raging hard-on about free speech and then in the next breath wants to ban flag burning and throw people in jail or even execute them because of it.
    Or who wants to force kids to say the pledge of allegiance etc.

    I have a hard time believing that you can get one year or a fine for an insult in Germany tho...
    Maybe if we're talking about hate speech but we're getting into territory at that point where you run into issues in NA too.
    Free speech is not absolute in NA either, you can't yell '' fire '' in a cinema and you can get punished in other ways if you yell racist things in public.
    Even if they don't punish you for speech they can still punish you for disorderly conduct or something, same with harassment and threats that's still a free speech issue and it's still limited.

    Generally speaking tho I do agree that whenever I see people talk about free speech in the context of NA it tends to be to defend maniacs and people being garbage.
    Like I get it in principle, but at the same time some people are actually a legit danger to society and lead to actual harm.
    I don't want to get into current specifics to derail and cause more arguments but there are people who have a lot of blood on their hands and I am not particularly interested in defending their right to continue causing harm.

    Edit: Also for all of this talk about free speech NA does a lot of censoring and controlling of speech due to corporate interests.
    Moreso than most countries.
    I mean it's still a limitation of free speech and I'd say that NA companies are some of the most restrictive in the developed world that control the creators the most.
    And it even affects foreign companies too that wants to do business in NA.
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 08-24-2021 at 05:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTiscancer View Post
    And now you're insulting me.

    You do not get to decide what is or isn't an insult. You should be permanently banned now, according to your own post so please, delete your account unless you're a hypocrite.
    I pray to the twelve and hydaelyn that you are just a troll. Otherwise i might just turn into Awha and lose all hope into humankind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I have a hard time believing that you can get one year or a fine for an insult in Germany tho...
    Maybe if we're talking about hate speech but we're getting into territory at that point where you run into issues in NA too.
    Free speech is not absolute in NA either, you can't yell '' fire '' in a cinema and you can get punished in other ways if you yell racist things in public.
    Even if they don't punish you for speech they can still punish you for disorderly conduct or something, same with harassment and threats that's still a free speech issue and it's still limited.

    Generally speaking tho I do agree that whenever I see people talk about free speech in the context of NA it tends to be to defend maniacs and people being garbage.
    Like I get it in principle, but at the same time some people are actually a legit danger to society and lead to actual harm.
    I don't want to get into current specifics to derail and cause more arguments but there are people who have a lot of blood on their hands and I am not particularly interested in defending their right to continue causing harm
    You can get a fine if you hurt a persons honor. That can be achieved through words, insults. Not only slurs but ofc slurs are the most prominent part of this. But yeah if i start to call you names you could sue me here. Ofc the 1 year sentence would be on probation and only if you do it again and again, at some point the judge has also enough of you running around calling people the b-word and they might punish you harder.

    But yeah. That's how it is here. You can't just run around and do what you want.
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    Last edited by Ranaku; 08-24-2021 at 05:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    It's typical NA culture. Insults are legal and free speech stays over everything else.

    Funny thing is, in Japan insults are not legal. In germany you can get up to one year or a fine for it.

    But yeah, NA loves to punish the wrong people and promotes guns and insults and uncivilized/unsocial behavior in general. It's sad, really sad.
    It's truly amazing that you think speech outside hate speech should be illegal.

    That right there is why there is why America will always be the "best" country in the world It's the only place in the entire world with The First Amendment.
    It creates a qualitative change so large that even if a country is better than America in certain aspects they will never be on the same level.

    The real question is why every country outside of America doesn't want their people to have voices. The government is constantly trying to get rid of or encroach on The First Amendment because it gives the people power.

    It's also funny you think NA has the worst prisons when in other countries people will just straight up starve to death in prison.
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    Last edited by Nethereal; 08-24-2021 at 05:22 PM.

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    I just don't understand the concept of Lalafel. Asmongold on his other stream talked about how it invited pedophiles into the game and unfortunately sexualizes them.
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