PVP is not that bad.

[Soulebreaker]

Er, WoW's pvp hasn't been neglected though? They have whole balance changes that only effect pvp, and make actual gear for it still rather than just one cosmetic once in a blue moon, as well as having tournaments.

There is like a 85% difference between the top and bottom classes in WoW PVP and they haven't added any new maps in 5 years. Balance hasn't really been that great for a while. They had a gear vendor for the first part of this expac but then didn't do the same for 9.1. They had nothing for BFA.

[Caitlyn]

PvP would be much better, if:

- healers werent overpowered. 1vs1 against a healer is impossible to win. In feast, nearly everything depends on the healer. It may be better if SE change the healer to a supporter (no heals, but buffs/debuffs).

- frontlines including 3 factions. Frontlines is purely luck right now. If you re lucky, its a easy win. If you re not, your teammates ignore objectives and by randomly attacking everything, you end up sandwich'ed by the other 2 factions... . It would be more fun, if you have only 2 factions (like in rival wings).

[CaptainLagbeard]

Frontlines...
They're not BAD, but getting 24 random strangers to cordinate and co-operate is near impossible.
And on maps other than the Borderland Ruins, there is elements of RNG involved with the objective spawns. The game can keep activating objectives near one side's spawn giving them an advantage over the other two as they have to overextend to get a chance at scoring.


I've found the best way to play them is go in as a healer, do my best to keep people alive and hope for a combination of good objective spawns and people who know how to play the frontline.

[Dogempire]

Honestly I think it's boring and outside of Feast which is usually dead or rigged with win trading, it's mostly just a game of "Well you're 1 person and we have 3, so you lose"

Not that there isn't any fun to be had in it, it's just kind of an eyeroll whenever 10 people jump on you because everyone decided to run away, but you can't really jump on a lone person because they take ages to kill and they might be able to run to a group of 5-10 people to get help before you can even manage to kill them, or god forbid they happen to be near a white mage because that's the only healing job that's actually decent.

[Caitlyn]

Honestly I think it's boring and outside of Feast which is usually dead or rigged with win trading, it's mostly just a game of "Well you're 1 person and we have 3, so you lose"

Not that there isn't any fun to be had in it, it's just kind of an eyeroll whenever 10 people jump on you because everyone decided to run away, but you can't really jump on a lone person because they take ages to kill and they might be able to run to a group of 5-10 people to get help before you can even manage to kill them, or god forbid they happen to be near a white mage because that's the only healing job that's actually decent.

Or when you capture a lost point in Frontlines with a group of 5 people. Then, 4 people leaving as soon you captured the point. Seconds later, the point is lost again, because you cant defend it alone. So, the entire alliance is walking between 2 points, just to hold it for 2 seconds each. Brilliant!

Or when an objective is up on your side, but your team is busy to chase some random enemies. You just can sit there and watch how other factions just take it without any resistance.


If the latest gear wouldnt be so cool and the exp in Frontlines wouldnt be that good, I would skip PvP completely. As a player alone, you cant affect the match at no point. All you can do is praying.

[Wavaryen]

Thanks all for your perspective. I can see why some don't like it. I'm weird in the way that winning or losing does not bother me. I just have fun, so frontline was just pick up play and have fun.


I guess from just playing stand point it is fun, but if you want to win...ya I could see why someone dislike this pvp system lol.

[Caitlyn]

Thanks all for your perspective. I can see why some don't like it. I'm weird in the way that winning or losing does not bother me. I just have fun, so frontline was just pick up play and have fun.


I guess from just playing stand point it is fun, but if you want to win...ya I could see why someone dislike this pvp system lol.

Well, I wouldnt bother much, when not most achievements are tied to win a match. But thats just the minor part. The major part is, that its not about winning or losing. Its about why/how you win or lose.

I wouldnt complain, if the matches were less random or chaotic. Its just more fun, when everybody would work together and/or fight equal opponents. But the truth is, in the worst case 80% of your team are acting like bots. No communication, no playing the objectives, nothing. Just wandering around, chasing anything in sight. On the other side, sometimes it just feels like you re playing a solo mission with some random people, where all objectives are near your base and your enemies are trash mobs.

Neither way, you cant even have a fair match. Its either easy win or losing from start. But its not fun.

[Wavaryen]

Well, I wouldnt bother much, when not most achievements are tied to win a match. But thats just the minor part. The major part is, that its not about winning or losing. Its about why/how you win or lose.

I wouldnt complain, if the matches were less random or chaotic. Its just more fun, when everybody would work together and/or fight equal opponents. But the truth is, in the worst case 80% of your team are acting like bots. No communication, no playing the objectives, nothing. Just wandering around, chasing anything in sight. On the other side, sometimes it just feels like you re playing a solo mission with some random people, where all objectives are near your base and your enemies are trash mobs.

Neither way, you cant even have a fair match. Its either easy win or losing from start. But its not fun.

I can see that. I also saw about the healer issue. Like, limit break+damage healers are gods. It reminds me of wow a little too much. I hate how tanky healers are in pvp.



I could see myself getting burnt out though, from a competitive stand point. Things need to be much more fair, and that would be more fun.

[Caitlyn]

I can see that. I also saw about the healer issue. Like, limit break+damage healers are gods. It reminds me of wow a little too much. I hate how tanky healers are in pvp.

I could see myself getting burnt out though, from a competitive stand point. Things need to be much more fair, and that would be more fun.

The thing about healers is, that they play the most important part. People wont survive long, when there is no healing. Thats why many players are focusing the healer first, which put them in a very stressfull situation. So SE decided to make them more tanky, so they can focus more on healing other players. But this make them nearly impossible to kill, especially in a 1v1.

It would be better, to give everyone a selfheal (like the potion skill everyone haves), remove the healing ability from the healer and give it some buffs and debuffs. Healers can increase the defense or attack of their teammates, but are not the critical part of the group. When it comes to healing, everyone have to do it by themselves.

[Jettinson]

Or when you capture a lost point in Frontlines with a group of 5 people. Then, 4 people leaving as soon you captured the point. Seconds later, the point is lost again, because you cant defend it alone. So, the entire alliance is walking between 2 points, just to hold it for 2 seconds each. Brilliant!

The Borderlands can be the most fun or infuriating because all 3 groups in your team gotta actual find an understanding on what is the tactic for that map.
The most common thing teams do is to rotate capture points, constantly ensuring each have 2 points and keep the score going although slow.
Another reason also tends to be that there is no timer visible for mid and not everybody keeps that in mind and try to not overstay the fights.

Also you only have 3 factions, while it happens that one of them clashes on defending/capturing a point, the one not doing the fight can take advantage and overwhelm other points or be ready for mid.

Another thing to watch out is the duration of fights, sometimes a single fight can take so long to the point of the drones respawning in mid.

And once again, it all depends on what your faction is going for as well as the enemies.
It is weird Borderlands does not have a timer like Rival Wings'train and mercenary though