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  1. #151
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    Truen's Avatar
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by GrimGale View Post
    So far, my biggest gripe with SCH, after Prog the three tiers and TEA, also being a very average player, is the incessant, ad nauseam Broil spam.

    But that's not a problem exclusive to SCH rather the three healers. (AST to a somewhat lesser extent)

    I recall E3s specifically, the goddam flock of birds boss. There is like a long minute of no raid damage at all. Just chain Broil casts, over and over. It really makes patent how dull and completely uninspired the design for healing downtime is.
    Never forget this was Yoshi's vision. I think it's time we stopped treating him like some kind of design-God and realize his view on what healing jobs should look like rather sucks.
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  2. #152
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    Red Rider
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    Hyperion
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    Sage Lv 90
    Considering he likes WoW, where you don't have much room to dps between heals, no wonder the devs are so adamantly holding onto the 'healers must only heal' ideal. To add insult to injury, even WoW healers have a wider dps kit than XIV healers.

    Holy Priest:
    -bread and butter damage spell [not-Glare]
    -dot [not-Dia]
    -nuke/dot with a 15 sec cd [mini Assize]
    -nuke that stuns with a 1 min cd [mini Holy]
    *casting not-Glare lowers the cd of mini Holy by 5 seconds, and has a 20% chance to reset the cd of mini Assize* (I'm fairly certain this was the inspiration for 4.0 lilies)

    White Mage:
    -bread and butter damage spell [Glare]
    -dot [Dia]
    -aoe nuke/heal [Assize]
    Glare Dia Assize Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Dia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Can't increase healing requirements because "it'd stress the newbies"
    Can't increase dps options either because "it'd stress the newbies"
    so apparently the only option that doesn't "stress the newbies" is either pressing 1211111111, or do nothing at all.

  3. #153
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    Acece Ace
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    Diabolos
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Considering he likes WoW, where you don't have much room to dps between heals, no wonder the devs are so adamantly holding onto the 'healers must only heal' ideal. To add insult to injury, even WoW healers have a wider dps kit than XIV healers.

    Holy Priest:
    -bread and butter damage spell [not-Glare]
    -dot [not-Dia]
    -nuke/dot with a 15 sec cd [mini Assize]
    -nuke that stuns with a 1 min cd [mini Holy]
    *casting not-Glare lowers the cd of mini Holy by 5 seconds, and has a 20% chance to reset the cd of mini Assize* (I'm fairly certain this was the inspiration for 4.0 lilies)

    White Mage:
    -bread and butter damage spell [Glare]
    -dot [Dia]
    -aoe nuke/heal [Assize]
    Glare Dia Assize Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Dia
    That's their base dps kit too, they can spec into a boomerang heals/dps spell with a 15 sec cd or a big old aoe damage/heal every 40 sec cd. I think they also have an execute now which is fun. Holy priest is considered the "beginner healer" but they also have the most amount of buttons of all the healers.
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  4. #154
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    Truen's Avatar
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    Brunox Sky
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    Exodus
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    Scholar Lv 82
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Considering he likes WoW, where you don't have much room to dps between heals, no wonder the devs are so adamantly holding onto the 'healers must only heal' ideal. To add insult to injury, even WoW healers have a wider dps kit than XIV healers.

    Holy Priest:
    -bread and butter damage spell [not-Glare]
    -dot [not-Dia]
    -nuke/dot with a 15 sec cd [mini Assize]
    -nuke that stuns with a 1 min cd [mini Holy]
    *casting not-Glare lowers the cd of mini Holy by 5 seconds, and has a 20% chance to reset the cd of mini Assize* (I'm fairly certain this was the inspiration for 4.0 lilies)

    White Mage:
    -bread and butter damage spell [Glare]
    -dot [Dia]
    -aoe nuke/heal [Assize]
    Glare Dia Assize Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Dia
    Yea, good point. Virtually every MMO anywhere has a more entertaining experience for healing characters than FF14. That's why I'm praying we see a return to 4.0 healing mechanics...but, Square Enix never communicates with their players so who the heck knows what they're going to do.
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  5. #155
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    Nemene Damendar
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    Yea, good point. Virtually every MMO anywhere has a more entertaining experience for healing characters than FF14. That's why I'm praying we see a return to 4.0 healing mechanics...but, Square Enix never communicates with their players so who the heck knows what they're going to do.
    Please god not 4.0 White Mage.
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  6. #156
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    Rilifane's Avatar
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    Esther Harper
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    Yea, good point. Virtually every MMO anywhere has a more entertaining experience for healing characters than FF14. That's why I'm praying we see a return to 4.0 healing mechanics...but, Square Enix never communicates with their players so who the heck knows what they're going to do.
    4.0 when the best advice regarding lilies was "just ignore them, they suck".
    Good times.
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  7. #157
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    Truen's Avatar
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    I agree; WM 4.0 should have been brought up instead of bringing everything else down in 5.0...really a shame.
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  8. #158
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    Teno Gestalt
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    Moogle
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Considering he likes WoW, where you don't have much room to dps between heals, no wonder the devs are so adamantly holding onto the 'healers must only heal' ideal. To add insult to injury, even WoW healers have a wider dps kit than XIV healers.

    Holy Priest:
    -bread and butter damage spell [not-Glare]
    -dot [not-Dia]
    -nuke/dot with a 15 sec cd [mini Assize]
    -nuke that stuns with a 1 min cd [mini Holy]
    *casting not-Glare lowers the cd of mini Holy by 5 seconds, and has a 20% chance to reset the cd of mini Assize* (I'm fairly certain this was the inspiration for 4.0 lilies)

    White Mage:
    -bread and butter damage spell [Glare]
    -dot [Dia]
    -aoe nuke/heal [Assize]
    Glare Dia Assize Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare Dia
    I have not played WoW in a long time (basically 2013), but looking at prog streams, I feel like they took inspiration from how healers used to dps in ffxiv and implemented it over there, while the reverse was done in ffxiv (basically removed all of our dps kit). Of course this failed hard in ffxiv as is shown by all the healers complaints.
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  9. #159
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    Kael Yoshim
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    Cerberus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by WaxSw View Post
    You DON'T use recitation with Adlo in the prepull because the initial damage is never enough to kill the party with proper mitigation, its better to save it to be used with either excog in the prepull for the MT (If needed) or to heal raidwides that may come early in the fight so that way you save 1 AE charge to be used with energy drain.

    Reciadlo+DT is mostly used for cheesing strats only where the benefit from keeping uptime offset the dps loss of the 2 broil casts missed (i.e E10s)
    Yeah you do because you are never going to use Aldo again unless we are talking about e12s but then again if you have warrior + paladin in party you wouldn't need to lose a gcd on aldo. Also, no raidwides are killing parties without proper mitigation outside e12s. There is only one in e9s.

    You have gold parses so you must know that you are talking nonsense. A SCH with bis has around 60% crit multiplier. Crit aldo on the mt has roughly 1200 shield potency which is with 80 potency less than a Recit+Excog which is going to heal for 1280 potency. And this is assuming you don't use fey illumination which is increasing healing magic potency by 10% and afaik this buff only applies to gcd heals. With fey illumination crit excog < crit aldo in shield potency value alone. The only reason why you would want to use recit excog instead of aldo is because you can get crit aldo for free while it is impossible to apply excog for free in the prepull. The fairy also won't start healing before the shield is broken which is not that big of a loss when you compare the amount of raidwide dmg mitigated by DT shields.

    You are in a static with an AST which is obviously the reason why you don't need to go to such lengths to secure your 30s of peaceful broiling. Your co-healer is going to make sure you won't be forced into using ruin II to weave ogcd heal too much in the first 30s of the fights while your mind pot is active.
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  10. #160
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    Liam Harper
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    Zodiark
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Yeah you do because you are never going to use Aldo again
    It's nothing to do with Adlo, you're saving Recitation... Why blow it on the opener where the extra shield size isn't needed when Reci is a free crit Excog or Indom that can be assigned somewhere more useful during the early fight. If you failed to crit-fish an Adlo, normal spread-adlo is still generally fine.
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