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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    I'm sure many fellow europeans is opposed to it but personally i don't see the issue but I also don't have same context to blizzard as some of my friends.
    I don't see the problem atm when so little mounts are being added vs what is being added to the game.

    It's kinda a never ending discussion that leads to heated arguments and people going mad (like in this thread lol)
    Nah most of us arent crying over it, i don't talk for everyone but we prefer this way.
    Many mount didnt make it to europe and became exclusive to some country so when i see people saying that FFXIV dev won't ever hear what NA player will say it really make me laugh
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  2. #552
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    Quote Originally Posted by NishaSetsuya View Post
    Nah most of us arent crying over it, i don't talk for everyone but we prefer this way.
    Many mount didnt make it to europe and became exclusive to some country so when i see people saying that FFXIV dev won't ever hear what NA player will say it really make me laugh
    Yeah I hear you buddy. I wish we'd also get some the NA exclusive mounts from amazon deals and whatnot but I understand it hard with regulations and laws in EU and PAL region. Maybe one day we can get some of them in the store like the flying cloud back in the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by TTiscancer View Post
    How many different MMOs have you played in the last 20 years?
    Hmm.... I imagine you're trying to frame this as an insult or gotcha towards me and my experiences. Also confused what this has to do with anything of I just said, oh well.

    But to give a serious answer. A ton of F2P MMORPGs but those I spent years on playing actively:

    FF11 - 12 years, maybe more (started in 2004-2005 whenever the EU release was)

    FF14 - 8+ years (since 1.0)

    Wow - On and off since 2007-2008.

    GW1 - For about a year

    GW2 - Less than a year

    Destiny 1 and 2 (if we're counting them as MMOs, since you're asking for different?)

    Countless of F2P MMORPG in the 2000s
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  3. #553
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    Given there is more content in the game and added for free then whats on the mogstation. Safe to say the community is just as greedy as SE. Put anything the community really wants on the mog, people will scream how it should be in game. Put something they dont give F about the only people who gripe are those who hate the MOG in general. If you buy a item off the mog while at the same time not wanting too..thats your own lack of self control and weak will power.
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  4. #554
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    While there's an underlying anti-cash shop sentiment for a lot of people, what crossed a line for many people is specifically that the mount is Cruise Chaser, regardless of its price.

    Too much the conversations on that topic derails away from CC, but given what CC is and how anticipated it was, the current content drought, and the amount of content that hasn't been given much love lately, people are definitely allowed to be outraged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    While there's an underlying anti-cash shop sentiment for a lot of people, what crossed a line for many people is specifically that the mount is Cruise Chaser, regardless of its price.

    Too much the conversations on that topic derails away from CC, but given what CC is and how anticipated it was, the current content drought, and the amount of content that hasn't been given much love lately, people are definitely allowed to be outraged.
    A certian horse is laughing at the content drought statement. Likely cause it was added when there was no content issue and people still moaned over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    While there's an underlying anti-cash shop sentiment for a lot of people, what crossed a line for many people is specifically that the mount is Cruise Chaser, regardless of its price.

    Too much the conversations on that topic derails away from CC, but given what CC is and how anticipated it was...
    So, you're telling me that SE deliberately added the Cruise Chaser to the cash shop to mess with all those wonderful players this year who are just now getting to feel the delights of the current expansion, Heavensward?

    Or, perhaps, those wonderful players are ticked off because data-mining content in this game finds everything (including school uniforms and the Cruise Chaser mount) and they assume it'll show up as an in-game reward, knowing full well that there are no 'special patches' for cash shop exclusive items?

    Personally, I think the mount is less than stellar, but I've never really had a thing for mechina-based mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    So, you're telling me that SE deliberately added the Cruise Chaser to the cash shop to mess with all those wonderful players this year who are just now getting to feel the delights of the current expansion, Heavensward?

    Or, perhaps, those wonderful players are ticked off because data-mining content in this game finds everything (including school uniforms and the Cruise Chaser mount) and they assume it'll show up as an in-game reward, knowing full well that there are no 'special patches' for cash shop exclusive items?

    Personally, I think the mount is less than stellar, but I've never really had a thing for mechina-based mounts.
    Can you not see why CC being added to the mogstation would be disappointing, if not insulting, for people who've been looking forward to him, even LONG before the datamine, and some even supporting the game since HW and before?

    It'd be alike adding the E4 car to the mogstation. Some people are attached to the bosses and are already spending a lot on the game they currently don't have much to do on.
    They shouldn't have to pay so much for a raid boss that's already in the game, especially if for CC's case, the mount was already as good as done through RW.
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    And for those of you who are still complaining about Square Enix not putting enough funding into their favorite MMO, consider that all of the MMO revenue amounts to about 13% of net sales. Note that operating expenses for the MMO are higher than for the other "Digital media" units.

    If I were an executive for corporate SE, I wouldn't hear a word of "this game makes the company a lot of money, therefore ..." from players of either of its MMOs. I'd be more likely to say "OK, how can we fund the next set of mobile games, which are cheaper and faster to produce than an MMO".

    Net sales: (FY2022/3 Q1)

    MMO 11.6 billion yen
    HD Games 25.1 billion yen
    Mobile 33 billion yen

    Amusement 9.4 billion yen [Actual arcades, mostly]

    Publications 7.2 billion yen

    Merchandising 2.7 billion yen

    (source: https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/i...22q1slides.pdf)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedxKayn View Post
    Can you not see why CC being added to the mogstation would be disappointing, if not insulting, for people who've been looking forward to him, even LONG before the datamine, and some even supporting the game since HW and before?

    It'd be alike adding the E4 car to the mogstation. Some people are attached to the bosses and are already spending a lot on the game they currently don't have much to do on.
    They shouldn't have to pay so much for a raid boss that's already in the game, especially if for CC's case, the mount was already as good as done through RW.
    Disappointed, yeah, I can see that. Shrill to the point of "they absolutely shouldn't have put this six year old boss in the game unless they made it a free mount", not so much.

    The fact is, its incorporation wasn't a choice of the development team, it was a choice of the Mogstation cash shop team who said "we plan to increase revenue by adding this mount to the cash shop. Development team, please create it according to our specifications". The development team didn't consider it necessary to award it as a mount back in 2015 ... what possible reason would they have to do so six years later?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    And for those of you who are still complaining about Square Enix not putting enough funding into their favorite MMO, consider that all of the MMO revenue amounts to about 13% of net sales. Note that operating expenses for the MMO are higher than for the other "Digital media" units.

    If I were an executive for corporate SE, I wouldn't hear a word of "this game makes the company a lot of money, therefore ..." from players of either of its MMOs. I'd be more likely to say "OK, how can we fund the next set of mobile games, which are cheaper and faster to produce than an MMO".

    Net sales: (FY2022/3 Q1)

    MMO 11.6 billion yen
    HD Games 25.1 billion yen
    Mobile 33 billion yen

    Amusement 9.4 billion yen [Actual arcades, mostly]

    Publications 7.2 billion yen

    Merchandising 2.7 billion yen

    (source: https://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/i...22q1slides.pdf)


    What's HD games referering to, video games?
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