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  1. #481
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    Vahlnir's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Except there is not.
    There is no part of this game that requieres a cash shop. Imagine in fact: Mounts were released BEFORE there was any cash shop.


    Let reality crush down with it's weight - The cash shop is just an invented barrier, a paywall, behind which content that perfectly could be in game is not: Skill requiered = 3 digits behind a credit card - Amazing gameplay.
    No, but certain things are made FOR the cash shop but not for "free" in game by a whole other team, ergo said things would not exist if not for the cash shop. The cash shop is here, and has been here since the game's conception/rebirth. It isn't going anywhere, and they have been pretty open and fair about the whole thing compared to many other MMOs.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 08-15-2021 at 10:39 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

  2. #482
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    No, but certain things are made FOR the cash shop but not for "free" in game, ergo said things would not exist if not for the cash shop.
    Thats unethical corporative practices to profit on several psychological pre-existent conditions.
    Ergo, you still wrong.
    The fact that it could perfectly be the other way is proof of that.

    Cruise Chaser could perfectly be just the drop of it's trial, a new trial, pvp, gold saucer, achievements, etc. Hell, it could be an amazing subscription reward.

    There is no made FOR the cash shop.

    There is only made content made for the game - Then is put behind a credit card paywall.
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    "The will of my friends has etched into my heart, and now ill transform this infinite darkness into eternal light
    Unmatched in heaven and earth, one body and one soul that challenge the gods!"

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    OMG Square-Enix is a corporation that only wants to make money? Shocking.
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  4. #484
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    There is no made FOR the cash shop.
    I'll probably bow out here before I say something I'll most certainly regret. This is exhausting. Good luck, have fun everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

  5. #485
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    Here is the thing. If the quality of the game goes down to point where it is unfun, and they add cash shop items more than content. Than I will be with you all upset. Right now that time is not now.
    Agreed! At least for me square is very faaaar from making same decisions like blizz or EA, very far.
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  6. #486
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    The reason I see this as bad is because Cruise Chaser is assets from the game, made by the dev team.

    A long held stance for cash shops enthusiasts is, "Stuff made for the cash shop is made by the cash shop teams, so it doesn't affect development time, and the dev team is not involved!"

    Well, would you look at that. The dev team is involved. Granted, it's an old raid monster, but really, it has an 8 man rideable animation which actually has all 8 people ride it in its fight. It actually repositions them, so it already had all of the data to be a mount.
    Cruise Chaser is also in Rival Wings:
    https://youtu.be/Mw-LO7I5UP8

    Sure there was some work done to make the Cruise Chaser a mount but it was not exclusively made for the Mogstation like the peacock/whale mount etc
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  7. #487
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    Cruise Chaser is also in Rival Wings:
    https://youtu.be/Mw-LO7I5UP8

    Sure there was some work done to make the Cruise Chaser a mount but it was not exclusively made for the Mogstation like the peacock/whale mount etc
    BuT It Can OnLy ExiTs WitH THE CasH sHOP.
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    "The will of my friends has etched into my heart, and now ill transform this infinite darkness into eternal light
    Unmatched in heaven and earth, one body and one soul that challenge the gods!"

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    Congrats on reaching 50 pages where people are using the same arguments on repeat.
    Let's see if we can reach 100 in the same style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    BuT It Can OnLy ExiTs WitH THE CasH sHOP.
    DEV: PR TEAM we need more servers and resources!, please give us more money servers are burning!
    PR : no sir we already have given our half year accounting report on beneficts, find another soultion, we have no money to give you.
    DEV: but the problem is real we need more resources!to many new players, how are you stating there is no more money?
    PR: how does WOW does it? lets look.It is the game we look up to be anyways.
    PR: do you have a mount that was going to be gained on game?
    DEV: but that is a in game reward.
    PR: what about we just sell it on the mog station , wouldnt that means more money ?
    DEV: you dont understand we are overflowing with new players and subs, can we not cross that line?
    PR. DO IT,
    DEV: but we should not cross that line, its been good for years
    PR: DO IT NOW, and start sending me half the ingame mounts over to mogstation, We are closing funds.
    DEV: are you sure? we have so much in-gain from the new players.
    PR: DO IT NOWARE YOU DEFYING THE WORD OF THE LORD EMPEROR ITSELF?
    DEV: very well...we will take it away from in game rewards.


    Player base: PLEASE GIVES US MORE MOGSTATION ITEM TAKE MY MONEY!:

    PR: see, your logic is flawed.

    1 years after end walker:
    PR: were did the gamers go?
    DEV to a game with no P2W and no subscription base.
    PR: um, how do the other game does it.
    PR: we will go F2P
    DEV: but that will make it a complete new game?

    PR: DO IT NOW:<skeleton shriek>
    Dev: very well my lord, it shall be done

    ffxiv new expansion: candy crush saga.
    pLAYER BASE: YEY! I CAN GLAMOUR A BOOT SLIDER INTO MY CANDY CAT BOY NOW!:
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  10. #490
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    There is no made FOR the cash shop.

    There is only made content made for the game - Then is put behind a credit card paywall.
    Exxxxxcept Yoshi-P has gone on record multiple times across liveletters, interviews, etc to talk about how the mogstation team works independently from the main dev team on their projects, and that the stuff they design/create is only intended to ever be sold for $$$. He's also talked about how the Chinese & korean companies that host the game in those countries have commissioned the mogstation team to create time-exclusive outfits for their regions for the sole purpose of being sold as microtransactions.

    Everything the mogstation team does is MADE FOR the sole purpose of being on the cash shop. Full stop, no ifs and/or butts. To believe otherwise is being willingly ignorant to the reality of how the mogstation team operates.

    If you want anyone to blame, Yoshi-P had 5 years since the Creator tier came out to make Cruise Chase a mount, and never did. The mogstation team merely capitalized on an idea Yoshi-P was never going to do. It not being on the cash shop wouldn't magically make it in the game, that's not how game development works. it would have likely stayed in the void of cut content and the mogstation team would have made something else instead of CC.

    EDIT: here's a little snippet into the relationship between Yoshi-P and the head of the mogstation team, the 'Mogstation Empress'.

    https://www.mmorpg.com/interviews/eo...cap-2000106271

    Q: Will we get a certain outfit from the mog station?

    A: Does everyone want that? Not a lot of response from the crowd. So with the Mog Station it is ruled by a powerful empress. More power than I am. She has mentioned creating this uniform and gear would be very difficult and costly. Basically said if everyone promises to purchase this new item we might consider making it. Would you promise to buy it? (The crowd had mixed reactions). I guess I’ll have to do it.
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    Last edited by Daeriion_Aeradiir; 08-15-2021 at 11:41 AM.

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