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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Talking about ego, the self rightgeous CONSUMER

    Also, that last part is completely a lie.
    The subscription doesn't adjust not because the cash shop exists, it doesn't adjust because people would drop the game en masse. They are as much of an addict to us as us to them. So when they do these Unethical practices it's very clearly an insult towards the playerbase.


    I understand that you people don't know how the real world works. The fact you think it is unethical shows you have a very childish understanding of the world.


    They have a right to design and sale something they worked on. They have a right to not add it to the game. You act like 12-15 dollars a month is WELL enough to keep the content flowing. I'm going to tell you right now. As much content we get on our patches, and story elements, voice acting and the works at the speed we get it. Making more profits besides the sub is understandable. After all, cost goes up in making games but our sub stays the same. You all are so selfish, to not understand something that simple. Cash shop helps balance our cheap subs out. You are welcome for the lessons.


    To say that it is unethical. Like I said learn your place. You can not like it, but you don't understand the meaning of the word. The fact someone made something and can't sale it how they want. You out of your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    I understand that you people don't know how the real world works.

    You are welcome for the lessons.

    The fact someone made something and can't sale it how they want. You out of your mind.
    Oh, excuse me, didn't knew you had the monopoly of objectivity and reality.
    Funny, i pay my sub through my job, which is a philosophy, history and ethics teacher. Good to know im being teached lessons here. Phew, wouldn't know how to do my job without you.

    You would have a point about that last part if it wasn't clearly an Unethical predatory capitalist explotative practice. The gaming industry is a shithole is thanks to people like you that don't have two fingers in front of them to tell when they are being served a proper product or are being ripped off - And above all, celebrate it as a thing of status like for example:

    Quote Originally Posted by technole View Post
    I bought it immediately.

    Many in this thread are just trying to disguise saying "i don't have $30".
    In the end the supporters of the cash shop are all about this really. Indoctrinated to the core by the explotative unhealthy and hiper individual-competitive capitalist mindset of: "If you don't have it, don't are not worth it." Just to drawn imaginary lines of well being between them and the rest: "I can afford it = im better."

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    When i see this company providing a proper service for the consumers i will maybe start beliving in microtransactions like those, cosmetics and ALTERNATIVE mounts to the ones in game.

    I play from Chile, south america. I don't even have a Datacenter and whenever this game struggles with theirs up there in the north, i just cannot play and many others like me. When you think the servers are doing "bad" is when you start to experience what i experience every day.

    From where i stand there is no evidence nor sign that the cash shop helps the health and function of the game.

    All i read are individualistic, petty people that camp threads dissuading anyone dissident or in a diferent condition than themselves - Actual capitalist ideology at it's best: Not to blame you though, the north emisphere has always profited from it while in the south emisphere we face the actual consecuences of this mindset: "I can afford it - im better."

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    When servers issues that have been historical are solved.
    When server limitations that have been historical are solved.

    In fact SE profits from those limitations - Extra retainers being the main example.
    I bet they will put an extra paid glamour slots instead of actually solving their code or increasing the server capacity for items.

    I might consider the valid existence of a cash shop as feature that adds and doesn't substract from the game - right now it just takes away from it - not as far as to say it recives more content than the game itself: but it recives content that the game doesn't and thats wrong no matter how you cut it - Not optional but mandatory microtransactions.
    On the other hand SE might just come clear and explicitly say where the money is going, how much it actually needs, what are the true expenses of this whole ordeal.

    Till any of that happens, the cash shop will remain an unethical feature that has no place in a game that charges a subscription.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau View Post
    Oh, excuse me, didn't knew you had the monopoly of objectivity and reality.
    Funny, i pay my sub through my job, which is a philosophy, history and ethics teacher. Good to know im being teached lessons here. Phew, wouldn't know how to do my job without you.

    You would have a point about that last part if it wasn't clearly an Unethical predatory capitalist explotative practice. The gaming industry is a shithole is thanks to people like you that don't have two fingers in front of them to tell when they are being served a proper product or are being ripped off - And above all, celebrate it as a thing of status like for example:
    Again, You are using words that you clearly don't understand the meaning of.


    You not getting your way, them selling something they made and want to sale is not " Unethical predatory capitalist explotative practice".


    I'm ok with saying you don't like it. I'm ok saying you wish it was in the game. However, I have a serious problem when you telling people who make something how they must sale it. Or even they are doing something wrong by wanting to make a profit off the labor they did.


    As I said the level of pure ego to even say something like that. You don't get your way, so you going to put in question, and use morality to make it seem like you are right. Like I'm trying to help you here, that is wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavaryen View Post
    Again, You are using words that you clearly don't understand the meaning of.
    Oh but i do. Kid, you are truly out of your league here.

    Im not the one having to solve the issue that:
    As cash shop sales increase = the quality of the service remains the same or becomes worse.

    Logic is also part of your deficiencies it seems. But you can learn, i can teach you: i will charge you though.
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    Unmatched in heaven and earth, one body and one soul that challenge the gods!"