Why is the Cruise Chaser mount from the Mogstation?

[LittleImp]

Alternatively, some people just have realistic mindsets.

Companies want to make profit. The mogstation team, which is wholly separate from the FF14 dev team mind you, saw an opportunity to make profit with Cruise Chaser. Yoshi-P had many years to have the main dev team implement the mount into the game himself yet chose not to do so; chances are it was never on the agenda for them. It's not antagonizing to give people the straight facts that CC was 99.99999999999999999% likely to never see the light of day if it wasn't for the mogstation team.

Well-adjusted people don't sit in a forum thread for hours at a time over the course of multiple days to graciously share their "realistic mindset" on an issue they claim to have little stake in. A few of the people in this thread essentially jump from thread to thread all day making antagonistic posts, even on subjects whose basic premise they claim to agree with. That's who my observation was directed at.

I don't actually care about the cash shop, I just think the dynamics that pop up in the debate around it are really bizarre.

[hydralus]

Alternatively, some people just have realistic mindsets.

Companies want to make profit. The mogstation team, which is wholly separate from the FF14 dev team mind you, saw an opportunity to make profit with Cruise Chaser.

And so far the mogstation team is the only one releasing more content with each expansion.

[Kozh]

Who says it should be in the game? I'm trying to figure this out here. Do you own this business? Did you make it? What right besides being a consumer do you have? Some of you need to learn your place on this. Saying that it should be in the game, takes a level of ego that I can't even picture... snip

So interesting that you've been party to SE's internal policy discussions on this matter. And, of course, you've had a look at their books, too. I mean, how else could you so confidently make a statement with absolutely zero supporting evidence?

The same question can be asked to both of you too. Do you guys work at SE? Do you know every detail on how their budgeting and mog station profit works? Do you know how many % goes to the devs team? What if the subs price is not determined by mogshop? What's your evidence?

People have been saying this multiple times that we don't ask for the devs to completely shut down mog station. But putting CC, which has been asked for years and quite frankly fits more as TEA mount, into cash shop is a dick move.

They already raked in so much cash from all those fantasia, job boost, additional retainers, other services (renaming and server transfer), and the general glams; yet they still ask for more. And it's not like putting CC in game means no profit at all. For example, I planned to take a break (unsub) since May, but my static wants the morbol mount, so we still progging till now. That means I have paid for 3 months sub where as at first I didn't plan to.

[Lauront]

You have the numbers?

Because for near a decade i've seen the lack and failures in service of the game - Making me wish the sub would increase.
For years the excuse of the cash shop defenders is that they provide a better service thanks to it - Yet service is the same if not worse as time goes by.

So please, you have any link between the cash shop existence and the actual quality and price of the product being produced and delivered?


That japanese corporates are more moderate than their american counterparts when it comes to show-off their profits (ala bobby kotick).

I'd also like the evidence of this. I don't really have an issue with the cash shop. However, I do take issue with some of the claims being made, especially since we don't really have intimate knowledge of how SE slices and dices its fixed and variable costs for the game up, and also how they distribute the profit the subs are generating - subs which are steadily increasing.

Well-adjusted people don't sit in a forum thread for hours at a time over the course of multiple days to graciously share their "realistic mindset" on an issue they claim to have little stake in. A few of the people in this thread essentially jump from thread to thread all day making antagonistic posts, even on subjects whose basic premise they claim to agree with. That's who my observation was directed at.

I don't actually care about the cash shop, I just think the dynamics that pop up in the debate around it are really bizarre.

Some people appear to camp threads to tell other players to stop posting feedback and then try claim they should stop being so invested in the issue, or "chill out", when it's them camping just about every thread to gatekeep. It's really weird.

[Rinhi]

I bought it immediately.

Many in this thread are just trying to disguise saying "i don't have $30".

I guess people having principles they follow or disagreeing with a companies choice to monetize their consumers is beyond some people, who apparently must define themselves over what they buy and how much of a nice little consumer they are

[Kuroka]

IF they need extra money so much id honestly rather have em raise the sub 1-3€...

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

And so far the mogstation team is the only one releasing more content with each expansion.

Considering my experience in game development, it's not really all that surprising that a team that's job is literally only some 3D model rigging & basic item database coding could push content out faster than a team that not only has to 3D model about 1000x more things, but also has to do eventing, balancing, coding, writing, QA testing, server coding, etc.

Also that argument is disingenuous, completely ignoring the fact there's been more many times more mounts in-game released over SHB than there has been in mogstation in the same timeframe of 5.0-present.

Mogstation:
-Cruisechaser
-Spriggan Stonecarrier
-Ruby Carbuncle
-Chocobo Carriage
-Lunar Whale
-Kingly peacock.

vs in-game, all for free from the same time frame of 5.0-present:
-Skyslipper
-Ramuh
-Eden
-7 gwibers
-Landerwaffe
-Polar Bear
-Tankard
-Great Vessel of Ronka & Resplendent vessel of Ronka
-Porxie
-Al-Ikili
-Deinonychus
-Magicked Card
-Antelope Stag
-Antelope Doe
-gilded Mikoshi
-Both Gabriel mounts
-Construct VI-S
-Construct 14
-Ehll Thou
-Jibanyan Couch
-Pterodon
-Albino karakul
-Dhamel
-Hybodus
-Morbol
-Ufiti
-Construct VII
-Forgiven Reticence
-Magicked Bed
-Battle Tiger & Tiger
-Amaro
-Circus Ahriman (during 2019 halloween event)
-Ironfrog Mover
-triceratops
-Several Feast mounts
-Cerberus
-Inciatntus
-big Shell
-Snowman

But please, do tell me how the mogstation team is getting so much more content out than the main dev team is as far as mounts. People are just emotionally charged about Cruise Chaser, that's it. There's hardly a lack of in-game grindable mounts. How dare the mogstation team release an item that was 99.9999% likely to never see the light of day, given it's been literally 5 years since CC came out, at which any point Yoshi-P could have decided to add it in-game as a mount with plenty of opportunities.

[BunniEclair]

I guess people having principles they follow or disagreeing with a companies choice to monetize their consumers is beyond some people, who apparently must define themselves over what they buy and how much of a nice little consumer they are

Tbh I think you’re looking way too much into it. It’s really not that deep. Not buying cash shop doesn’t make you more principled than people who do, nor does it make you much less of a “good little consumer”, considering cash shop or not, you’re still paying monthly to play a game by a AAA company. You’re not sticking it to the man. You’re just spending slightly less to support the same company.

Sometimes people just like a nice thing. It’s not a flex on anyone else, it’s not a sports car or a designer bag. It’s an asset in a video game they just want to enjoy. The mog station team makes it possible to enjoy the things they are buying, and in return the game gets extra funding. There’s still a ton of cool stuff in game to grind for.

I said it in another thread (I think, there are like five of these?) but I’ll get worked up when they start doing gacha/lootbox/actual predatory practices. I don’t think they ever will, though. This model seems to be working just fine.

[Vahlnir]

Considering my experience in game development, it's not really all that surprising that a team that's job is literally only some 3D model rigging & basic item database coding could push content out faster than a team that not only has to 3D model about 1000x more things, but also has to do eventing, balancing, coding, writing, QA testing, server coding, etc.

Also that argument is disingenuous, completely ignoring the fact there's been more many times more mounts in-game released over SHB than there has been in mogstation in the same timeframe of 5.0-present.

Mogstation:
-Cruisechaser
-Spriggan Stonecarrier
-Ruby Carbuncle
-Chocobo Carriage
-Lunar Whale
-Kingly peacock.

vs in-game, all for free from the same time frame of 5.0-present:
-Skyslipper
-Ramuh
-Eden
-7 gwibers
-Landerwaffe
-Polar Bear
-Tankard
-Great Vessel of Ronka & Resplendent vessel of Ronka
-Porxie
-Al-Ikili
-Deinonychus
-Magicked Card
-Antelope Stag
-Antelope Doe
-gilded Mikoshi
-Both Gabriel mounts
-Construct VI-S
-Construct 14
-Ehll Thou
-Jibanyan Couch
-Pterodon
-Albino karakul
-Dhamel
-Hybodus
-Morbol
-Ufiti
-Construct VII
-Forgiven Reticence
-Magicked Bed
-Battle Tiger & Tiger
-Amaro
-Circus Ahriman (during 2019 halloween event)
-Ironfrog Mover
-triceratops
-Several Feast mounts

But please, do tell me how the mogstation team is getting so much more content out than the main dev team is as far as mounts. People are just emotionally charged about Cruise Chaser, that's it. There's hardly a lack of in-game grindable mounts. How dare the mogstation team release an item that was 99.9999% likely to never see the light of day, given it's been literally 5 years since CC came out, at which any point Yoshi-P could have decided to add it in-game as a mount with plenty of opportunities.

And just like that, the "less content than the Mogstation" argument has been completely obliterated. There's nothing left to piece it back together with.

[Wavaryen]

Talking about ego, the self rightgeous CONSUMER

Also, that last part is completely a lie.
The subscription doesn't adjust not because the cash shop exists, it doesn't adjust because people would drop the game en masse. They are as much of an addict to us as us to them. So when they do these Unethical practices it's very clearly an insult towards the playerbase.

I understand that you people don't know how the real world works. The fact you think it is unethical shows you have a very childish understanding of the world.


They have a right to design and sale something they worked on. They have a right to not add it to the game. You act like 12-15 dollars a month is WELL enough to keep the content flowing. I'm going to tell you right now. As much content we get on our patches, and story elements, voice acting and the works at the speed we get it. Making more profits besides the sub is understandable. After all, cost goes up in making games but our sub stays the same. You all are so selfish, to not understand something that simple. Cash shop helps balance our cheap subs out. You are welcome for the lessons.


To say that it is unethical. Like I said learn your place. You can not like it, but you don't understand the meaning of the word. The fact someone made something and can't sale it how they want. You out of your mind.