Tanks Pulling Trains (Who's Wrong?)

[Hanayumi]

Could easily fault the tank as well, I generally tank dungeon unless healer is in the recommended needed, but I see so mant tanks that just do not use all their midigation skills while pulling big. Their invulns, reprisal, arms length, or party midgations, dont know why folks hold on to them so much...

[KageTokage]

If a tank is doing big pulls, I expect them to be properly geared and chaining cooldowns.

They don't have any right to be getting mad at the healer if they die because they're passively taking around 10-20% more damage and having around 30% less HP due to still being in level 60 gear for a level 65+ dungeon.

As previously mentioned it's also on the DPS to make sure the enemies are dying before the tank and healer burn out on cooldowns/MP.

[Gabadabs]

If a tank is doing big pulls, I expect them to be properly geared and chaining cooldowns.

They don't have any right to be getting mad at the healer if they die because they're passively taking around 10-20% more damage and having around 30% less HP due to still being in level 60 gear for a level 65+ dungeon.

As previously mentioned it's also on the DPS to make sure the enemies are dying before the tank and healer burn out on cooldowns/MP.

It's okay to do big pulls if you know what you're doing and you're *in sync with your healer*.
But wow sometimes I just think the tanks I run into don't actually know what they are doing. I don't blame them, learning to tank is hard and it's why I stick to healing.

[Deceptus]

It's okay to do big pulls if you know what you're doing and you're *in sync with your healer*.
But wow sometimes I just think the tanks I run into don't actually know what they are doing. I don't blame them, learning to tank is hard and it's why I stick to healing.

I think one of the biggest issues is that leveling dungeons are often more difficult than endgame dungeons and players often forget that. Especially at the start of new expansions.

Dusk Vigil, Siresong Sea, Bardam's Mettle, Doma, Castrum Abania, Holmister Switch are all going to chunk tanks who aren't prepared and actually using their defensive CD's.

[IceBlueNinja]

I think one of the biggest issues is that leveling dungeons are often more difficult than endgame dungeons and players often forget that. Especially at the start of new expansions.

Dusk Vigil, Siresong Sea, Bardam's Mettle, Doma, Castrum Abania, Holmister Switch are all going to chunk tanks who aren't prepared and actually using their defensive CD's.

All true, you literally hit all the key ones I hate as a healer main with a new tank doing them.

[Gabadabs]

I think one of the biggest issues is that leveling dungeons are often more difficult than endgame dungeons and players often forget that. Especially at the start of new expansions.

Dusk Vigil, Siresong Sea, Bardam's Mettle, Doma, Castrum Abania, Holmister Switch are all going to chunk tanks who aren't prepared and actually using their defensive CD's.

Are they really? I just got to shadowbringers, so I've been unaware of that. I just know that this game tends to have some pretty difficult mechanics in some of the dungeons, and an inexperienced tank can make that a frustrating experience.

[Teno]

Are they really? I just got to shadowbringers, so I've been unaware of that. I just know that this game tends to have some pretty difficult mechanics in some of the dungeons, and an inexperienced tank can make that a frustrating experience.

Mechanics and bosses are not the issue. It's that mobs tend to hit quite hard in these dungeons at these levels so the real challenge lies in multiple packs at once.

[Liam_Harper]

Are they really? I just got to shadowbringers, so I've been unaware of that. I just know that this game tends to have some pretty difficult mechanics in some of the dungeons, and an inexperienced tank can make that a frustrating experience.

Definitely. Not only can you outgear them easily, they also hit for much less.

You can run level 80 dungeons easily without a healer, but a wall-pull in Holminster can wipe a tank even with a healer.

[Grimoire-M]

Definitely. Not only can you outgear them easily, they also hit for much less.

You can run level 80 dungeons easily without a healer, but a wall-pull in Holminster can wipe a tank even with a healer.

Not only that, but for three expansions in a row we watched in real time as people screamed for Scholar and AST healing buffs as they were making their way to this exact endgame point. It’s why I’ve told infrequent and more casual members of my friend groups to only do single pulls in levelling content until given a go ahead from someone else, and to work on sticking to their tank in that same content till they’re comfortable. It’s only safe to mass pull in levelcap dungeons and I also encourage those same people to do so while clearing out 50-70 sections so they can get some practice at it.

[Gabadabs]

Not only that, but for three expansions in a row we watched in real time as people screamed for Scholar and AST healing buffs as they were making their way to this exact endgame point. It’s why I’ve told infrequent and more casual members of my friend groups to only do single pulls in levelling content until given a go ahead from someone else, and to work on sticking to their tank in that same content till they’re comfortable. It’s only safe to mass pull in levelcap dungeons and I also encourage those same people to do so while clearing out 50-70 sections so they can get some practice at it.

The amount of dungeons I've healed in where we pull way more than we should, and wiping makes the dungeon take longer than if we had just gone one pull at a time.
Still odd to hear that newer dungeons are easier.