I tried but its not the game for me

[Killari]

Why did the OP feel the need to tell the whole forum about their decision?

I totally agree. But to answer your question. Go read the Wow forums and you'll have your answer.

I've been playing wow for 17 years, and while I can't post in the WoW forums because of my Guilds Ranking and policy. I love to read it just to get a good laugh.

As for the Story, I made it to Heavens Ward so far and took a break trying alts. I think the story has some good moments and boring. The only thing is, they need to stop with the... Someone always runs in in the middle of a conversation and "oh no" we have a problem.

If the OP doesn't like the story. Just skip over it and get to end game. Do crafting, raiding or whatever you enjoy.

[Eien713]

Hard disagree with 14 being the best story wise. It’s subjective anyways. But 14’s story barring like, maybe base shb is pretty meh. Full of plot armor and plot holes. Other ff’s don’t really suffer much from this.

I didn't say it was the best story but one of the best. There's a difference.

The constant fanservice. The lack of consequences because people are sensitive and can’t get over their beloved characters dying. People themselves have said it. Can’t kill off some of the mascot characters as it would just cause anger and would probably make people unsub.

I'm gonna have to ask for statements from the devs themselves about this. Moreover, not wanting to kill characters isn't so bad if the authors have originally never planned for them to die in the first place. And if you're gonna mention other FF games, I'd say other FF games did get their endings changed by bringing back dead characters. Potential spoilers ahead.

Examples are FF10 with FF10-2 and maybe FF13-2 with Lightning Returns (I never finished this game, so I'm not sure about Serah's fate).

What you're saying is like you're claiming you went inside the writers' heads and learned that the story was gonna be different but was changed to appease the masses.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I didn't say it was the best story but one of the best. There's a difference.



I'm gonna have to ask for statements from the devs themselves about this. Moreover, not wanting to kill characters isn't so bad if the authors have originally never planned for them to die in the first place. And if you're gonna mention other FF games, I'd say other FF games did get their endings changed by bringing back dead characters. Potential spoilers ahead.

Examples are FF10 with FF10-2 and maybe FF13-2 with Lightning Returns (I never finished this game, so I'm not sure about Serah's fate).

What you're saying is like you're claiming you went inside the writers' heads and learned that the story was gonna be different but was changed to appease the masses.

I mean there’s multiple signs to this, like the constant retcons and plot holes they’ve done. Obviously none of it is confirmed because the devs aren’t going to say that. As for your examples, my point was it’s a common theme in the ff series but somehow isn’t so prevalent in 14. Again it’s my opinion and it’s all subjective. I think there’s many ff’s that have 14 beat. It’s an okay story but to me that’s all it is. Maybe EW will change that by being darker and having some actual consequences but who can say.

[ReynTime]

Without the story the repetition and faceroll reality of the content that isn't high-end raids becomes apparent very quickly (unless you fancy virtual house decoration and taking screenshots of your character in cute outfits) so count me in the number of people who think this game isn't worth playing if you don't care for the story.

Heavensward starts with 2 slow questlines that repeat some of ARR issues, but they don't last long. It's the best paced and most mature writing in XIV history, a lot more so than the supposedly "dark" story of ShB that itself is pretty decent though a lot more shounen anime juvenile in 5.0 but gets increasingly more stupid with its patches.
Honestly, in retrospect, Stormblood was also far more mature than ShB, despite having that Bleach-tier character for an antagonist.

The one question that came to my mind when I read the title and the post is: Why did the OP feel the need to tell the whole forum about their decision? Imagine if every single person who decided to quit came to the forums to post about it. I don't mean to sound rude, but this is kinda something that doesn't really matter to the majority of people (as in it's not something that's related to them), especially since the post doesn't really say anything new. It's a universal fact that those who quit FF14 during ARR almost always give the same reason (and they usually get the same replies). It's nothing new.

For the same reason people feel the need to create topics just saying how amazing the game and community is and most people clap them for it.

[Eien713]

I mean there’s multiple signs to this, like the constant retcons and plot holes they’ve done. Obviously none of it is confirmed because the devs aren’t going to say that. As for your examples, my point was it’s a common theme in the ff series but somehow isn’t so prevalent in 14. Again it’s my opinion and it’s all subjective. I think there’s many ff’s that have 14 beat. It’s an okay story but to me that’s all it is. Maybe EW will change that by being darker and having some actual consequences but who can say.

I have to say I don't see what retcons and plot holes you're referring to. For a story that's been going on for so long, I think they're doing a good job with being consistent and cohesive as best as possible. But now I'm just wondering why a story has to be dark to be good.

For the same reason people feel the need to create topics just saying how amazing the game and community is and most people clap them for it.

Point already discussed previously on why I find the threads you mentioned more useful than ones like this.

[Snorky]

The constant fanservice. The lack of consequences because people are sensitive and can’t get over their beloved characters dying. People themselves have said it. Can’t kill off some of the mascot characters as it would just cause anger and would probably make people unsub. Hard disagree with 14 being the best story wise. It’s subjective anyways. But 14’s story barring like, maybe base shb is pretty meh. Full of plot armor and plot holes. Other ff’s don’t really suffer much from this.

I don't agree with you at all, if you dislike the story so much skip it. Yes people have favorite characters we as the WoL are good guys. Don't know what to tell you except if the story isn't to your likeing and you want a darker game there are plenty out there. What is it with plot armor and holes obsession? Explain what that actually means as it pertains to the story? This is fantasy and aether is magic so where do you think we should suspend our belief at? This isn't about humans and earth where we get hit with a sword more times than not we die. Maybe if people would look at it like what it is fantasy instead of what happens in rl. Oh and for the record I haven't started ShB yet and most fan sites say Y'stola hasn't died once. She didn't die in a ARR or HW she shielded in ARR and was caught in the aether sea in HW in SB she got hit with a sword and was wounded. You can call people sensitive all you want because there is nothing wrong with being sensitive or having empathy for characters we travel with. It seems to me you maybe just are not enjoying the story which is a shame to me because it's very well done in my opinion.

This post is totally off topic I apologize, hope the OP finds a game they like to play. Good luck!

[KizuyaKatogami]

I don't agree with you at all, if you dislike the story so much skip it. Yes people have favorite characters we as the WoL are good guys. Don't know what to tell you except if the story isn't to your likeing and you want a darker game there are plenty out there. What is it with plot armor and holes obsession? Explain what that actually means as it pertains to the story? This is fantasy and aether is magic so where do you think we should suspend our belief at? This isn't about humans and earth where we get hit with a sword more times than not we die. Maybe if people would look at it like what it is fantasy instead of what happens in rl. Oh and for the record I haven't started ShB yet and most fan sites say Y'stola hasn't died once. She didn't die in a ARR or HW she shielded in ARR and was caught in the aether sea in HW in SB she got hit with a sword and was wounded. You can call people sensitive all you want because there is nothing wrong with being sensitive or having empathy for characters we travel with. It seems to me you maybe just are not enjoying the story which is a shame to me because it's very well done in my opinion.

You haven’t played ShB which is where a majority of the plot holes and plot armor is relevant. I could give examples but they would be spoilers and i’ve already gone over them. The plot armor and plot holes comment is in regards to the actual lore in the story the writers themselves have made and how they’ve contradicted it. I know to separate reality from fiction but it’s the fact it’s in relativity of the in game lore. I joined the game for the story and i enjoyed it greatly in both ARR and HW which were both the good amount of dark that i enjoy. SB and ShB didn’t really do that and in the context of the story of both it didn’t make much sense.Also, you really shouldn’t use fan sites for the game. All of them are typically biased or made by people that haven’t paid attention in the story.

I have to say I don't see what retcons and plot holes you're referring to. For a story that's been going on for so long, I think they're doing a good job with being consistent and cohesive as best as possible. But now I'm just wondering why a story has to be dark to be good.

plot hole example

they explicitly state multiple times throughout the story, the farther he is from the tower, the weaker he gets. They even go so far as to show us this in Kholusia when he almost passes out from taking on a few sin eaters and has to rest. So when he’s taken to the bottom of the ocean, the farthest he’s ever been, while also having been shot, really he should be the weakest he’s ever been. Yet he’s somehow able to summon 7 wol for the hades fight, despite not even being able to do that while under the full power of the crystal tower, he failed 4-5 times and that was just to get us, one person. Meanwhile he’s able to replicate it 7 times while being the farthest from the tower he’s ever been. If they had at least had him sacrifice himself to do it that would make a bit more sense than what we got.

plot hole example number two:

The reason they try to give for Emet not killling Graha is that he needs his knowledge on the tower etc. Yet, we know that when an ascian hops into someones body, they obtain all of their memories. So the entire time Emet couldve just killed Graha and taken his memories which is what he wanted. But instead they just have him...capture him.

Plot armor example:

Them mentioning in HW how due to yshtola using flow, her health is supposed to be deteriorating yet that hasnt been mentioned once since then and shes even used flow again since then with no consequences.Along with her getting stabbed by zenos, whom had killed everyone else beforehand and he literally slashes her through her stomach but she somehow comes out unscathed.

I mention the darker themes because its a common theme in most ff games. I dont enjoy games where the victories are one sided and the protags always win whilst suffering 0 consequences. ARR and HW portrayed this well and its why i kept playing.

[Snorky]

You haven’t played ShB which is where a majority of the plot holes and plot armor is relevant. I could give examples but they would be spoilers and i’ve already gone over them. The plot armor and plot holes comment is in regards to the actual lore in the story the writers themselves have made and how they’ve contradicted it. I know to separate reality from fiction but it’s the fact it’s in relativity of the in game lore. I joined the game for the story and i enjoyed it greatly in both ARR and HW which were both the good amount of dark that i enjoy. SB and ShB didn’t really do that and in the context of the story of both it didn’t make much sense.Also, you really shouldn’t use fan sites for the game. All of them are typically biased or made by people that haven’t paid attention in the story.

This was a Japanese fan site but I appreciate you not mentioning the spoilers. I will reserve my right to see for myself and revisit our conversation about plot armor and holes when I finish ShB. Until then I hope EW is great when it comes out.

[SpanishInkwehsitor]

I didn't say it was the best story but one of the best. There's a difference.



I'm gonna have to ask for statements from the devs themselves about this. Moreover, not wanting to kill characters isn't so bad if the authors have originally never planned for them to die in the first place. And if you're gonna mention other FF games, I'd say other FF games did get their endings changed by bringing back dead characters. Potential spoilers ahead.

Examples are FF10 with FF10-2 and maybe FF13-2 with Lightning Returns (I never finished this game, so I'm not sure about Serah's fate).

What you're saying is like you're claiming you went inside the writers' heads and learned that the story was gonna be different but was changed to appease the masses.

I mean look at Y'shtola. They toss in her doing the whole "sacrifice your life" thing for that vial in SHB, only for Emet to boop her back like it was nothing and render them both Mary Sues.

[Eien713]

Plot hole examples

I'll have to replay ShB to be able to get a fair judgement on the points you mentioned (since I played it a little over 2 years ago). The only thing I can comment on is that...

I remember that they didn't say Y'shtola's health was deteriorating but that her lifespan would get shortened.