FF14 has an amazing community!

[Theodric]

The community's overall good reputation stands on its own regardless and that's still something we should be proud of since it is so rare with gamers these days.

I think it's more so the case where a very vocal portion of the community stifles any and all criticism, even that which is justified, in order to feign a sense of being superior and pristine when compared to other communities.

I've met plenty of friendly people in pretty much every game that I have played, so I am genuinely confused as to where the idea that FFXIV is somehow so much better is coming from.

There's good and bad apples to be found everywhere. At no point is it being suggests that FFXIV is rotten to the core and terrible. It's simply being painted as not being the perfect, flawless domain that some apparently see it as.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

FFXIV- don't get harassed/stalked even once since I started end of Stormblood.

WoW- face it regularly, reports to Blizz accomplish nothing, send in too many reports about stalkers that Blizz isn't handling- Blizz tells me if I send any more reports about being harassed I'll get a ban.

I love this community- but I'm a bit biased because of how atrociously offensive the last one I was in behaved.

[Krotoan]

I think it's more so the case where a very vocal portion of the community stifles any and all criticism, even that which is justified, in order to feign a sense of being superior and pristine when compared to other communities.

I've met plenty of friendly people in pretty much every game that I have played, so I am genuinely confused as to where the idea that FFXIV is somehow so much better is coming from.

There's good and bad apples to be found everywhere. At no point is it being suggests that FFXIV is rotten to the core and terrible. It's simply being painted as not being the perfect, flawless domain that some apparently see it as.

Nobody claims FFXIV has no problem population or downsides. That you keep stating this claim is why I keep replying. Nobody says this.
Housing sucks unless you already have one. We have to have a "no skipping cutscenes" roulette because people can't be trusted to let others watch cutscenes. We have Elitists, leeches, griefers. We have a constant population of RMT bots supplying money to the RMT spammers.
FFXIV draws from the same population any other MMO does. Liking the game for whatever reason doesn't make you a better person.

But can you really argue that it doesn't seem like people are having relatively good experiences and going out of their way to say so in general or that those people all just haven't experienced the cruddy people in FFXIV and then they'll go "oh.. I guess it's the same"?

FFXIV- don't get harassed/stalked even once since I started end of Stormblood.

WoW- face it regularly, reports to Blizz accomplish nothing, send in too many reports about stalkers that Blizz isn't handling- Blizz tells me if I send any more reports about being harassed I'll get a ban.

I love this community- but I'm a bit biased because of how atrociously offensive the last one I was in behaved.

I think this is probably the biggest disconnect and reason people are always accusing people who say it's so nice in FF of making utopian claims.

FFXIV isn't some utopian wonderland of magically friendly people where everyone cares more about others than themselves...

It's just actually regulated at a player interaction level. So when you play FFXIV after experiencing the "whatever, grow a thicker skin" world of other MMO's.. it seems so nice.


The observation doesn't mean that people who play FFXIV are "Better" than in other games, it's that overall the interaction, environment, and standards SEEM better than the chaos that is other games because of the way FFXIV as a holistic experience is.


It's like going from a rundown ghetto in dying Detroit to say .. a city in Singapore. You're going to notice it's a whole lot cleaner and people , for the most part, are behaving. The people in the other city are potentially the same people (lets pretend human is the only race here) , but the setting they're put in makes the experience better. The difference being how the city is run, maintained and presented.

[Wavaryen]

Back during ARR and heavenward days. The rules was not really enforced as well as it is now. So the community was iffy. Wife had to deal with linkshell that stalked her, and GMS was about as useful as Blizzard ones. Stormblood is when they turn things around and became super heavily enforced rules to the point that these types of people are scared to even speak. Leading to a better community.

[Vahlnir]

Back during ARR and heavenward days. The rules was not really enforced as well as it is now. So the community was iffy. Wife had to deal with linkshell that stalked her, and GMS was about as useful as Blizzard ones. Stormblood is when they turn things around and became super heavily enforced rules to the point that these types of people are scared to even speak. Leading to a better community.

The rule changes spooked a lot of people, including myself. But honestly, nothing really changed for the worse. I talk to and joke around with other people just like I did before. "Don't be a jerk" is a pretty easy rule to follow.

[Wavaryen]

The rule changes spooked a lot of people, including myself. But honestly, nothing really changed for the worse. I talk to and joke around with other people just like I did before. "Don't be a jerk" is a pretty easy rule to follow.

It was not just the rules that changed, but how it was enforced as well. I had a long talked with GMS at the time, and when they looked at the logs and saw the bs she went through, and myself. They just gave me a warning for lashing out like I did, but was pretty understanding I was being put through a ton of stress. (i was younger pretty angry at the support.). It took awhile, but they clean things up for sure. Not sure if they changed systems up on how reports are done or what. Just glad they did.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Hi, been around about 2 months. Anyone who doesn't see how amazing this community is has never experienced the worst the Internet has to offer, or even the average of it. FFXIV has the most amazing community I have ever experienced in any online game, period. And also one of the most amazing online communities, just in general.

Even if it's "fake" in a way, because it is so heavily enforced, I am okay with that. It sucks that some people have to be forced to not be toxic, but if people were all good by nature and just did the right thing always, then we wouldn't even need laws, would we?

[Kolsykol]

My only real issue with people in the game I've noticed somewhat regularly is how extremely unreceptive people are to advice, sometimes they even get aggressive or other people get angry on their behalf because someone dared to try and help.
It doesn't matter how much I go out of my way to sound as nice as possible it's almost always met with either being ignored or someone getting mad.
And I've definitely noticed it getting a bit worse recently.

People trying to help you is not a personal attack.
And if someone is standing in front of the boss and keeps getting killed by the tank buster someone explaining it to them is not harassment or shaming...
Some people are definitely way too touchy to the point that even just offering advice is seen as '' telling people how to play '' in a toxic sense.
And I mean if someone at level 80 is playing SAM and is standing in front of the boss dying repeatedly and not doing any of their positionals then I think you're the bad person for not helping them, but it's treated like the opposite.

I dunno why it's really bizarre but this is like when the toxicity comes out in my experience, everyone's all nice but the moment you try and help and it has anything to do with anything gameplay related people flip out.

[Vahlnir]

My only real issue with people in the game I've noticed somewhat regularly is how extremely unreceptive people are to advice, sometimes they even get aggressive or other people get angry on their behalf because someone dared to try and help.
It doesn't matter how much I go out of my way to sound as nice as possible it's almost always met with either being ignored or someone getting mad.
And I've definitely noticed it getting a bit worse recently.

People trying to help you is not a personal attack.
And if someone is standing in front of the boss and keeps getting killed by the tank buster someone explaining it to them is not harassment or shaming...
Some people are definitely way too touchy to the point that even just offering advice is seen as '' telling people how to play '' in a toxic sense.
And I mean if someone at level 80 is playing SAM and is standing in front of the boss dying repeatedly and not doing any of their positionals then I think you're the bad person for not helping them, but it's treated like the opposite.

I dunno why it's really bizarre but this is like when the toxicity comes out in my experience, everyone's all nice but the moment you try and help and it has anything to do with anything gameplay related people flip out.

Eh, that has always been a thing to varying degrees. It's not something I see regularly, but it happens.

[KizuyaKatogami]

My only real issue with people in the game I've noticed somewhat regularly is how extremely unreceptive people are to advice, sometimes they even get aggressive or other people get angry on their behalf because someone dared to try and help.
It doesn't matter how much I go out of my way to sound as nice as possible it's almost always met with either being ignored or someone getting mad.
And I've definitely noticed it getting a bit worse recently.

People trying to help you is not a personal attack.
And if someone is standing in front of the boss and keeps getting killed by the tank buster someone explaining it to them is not harassment or shaming...
Some people are definitely way too touchy to the point that even just offering advice is seen as '' telling people how to play '' in a toxic sense.
And I mean if someone at level 80 is playing SAM and is standing in front of the boss dying repeatedly and not doing any of their positionals then I think you're the bad person for not helping them, but it's treated like the opposite.

I dunno why it's really bizarre but this is like when the toxicity comes out in my experience, everyone's all nice but the moment you try and help and it has anything to do with anything gameplay related people flip out.

This is the side effect unfortunately of having such a strictly ruled game. People get softer skin and can’t take any form of criticism. You see it all the time in this community whether it be criticism towards another person or criticism about the game.