FF14 has an amazing community!

[Kes13a]

Um, have you not seen the housing in this game? Where you need to sit at a placard for hours on end tapping a placard in
hopes you get it while versing dozens of other players? Really respectful of players time…not to mention a house requires you to stay subbed since if you don’t enter it after 45 days you lose it. As for a grind fest,Eureka/Bozja….Also that dungeons thing you mentioned literally is in the game. Since relics require dungeon runs, people want them asap and speedrun dungeons. I dont really see how this is is supposed to be an "other mmos" thing when its literally a thing in 14.

which are all optional. you dont need a house to finish the game, quest or get a relic, its something you want. because there is always more players that want housing, why shouldnt they set a time limit on it if you arent around?

Eureka/Bozja, again, optional content. neither is required for running or continuing to end game. I know people who have touched neither.

relics.. well, again, fairly optional and they have ALWAYS been designed as a time sink. sure, you may get a decent weapon, but its mostly for glamour in the long run. designed, with Eureka/Bozja as a time sink for people to do things until the next expansion. If you choose to speed run or grinds, thats a personal choice, it is not something you HAVE to do.

[Ronduwil]

I've never encountered more unstable people in my life; The twitter community in particular is WILD. There was a widely circulated tweet the other day where someone was requesting the person behind the FFXIV official twitter lose their job, all because they made a 'healers adjust' joke.

I'm kind of amused by your shocked reaction to one event on Twitter that occurs daily (hourly?) on the WoW forums. Every community has their lunatics. I think the point of this thread is that the lunatic to normal person ratio in this game is much more favorable than in others.

[Theodric]

It's fascinating to me how often someone comes forward to expose the abuse they have suffered within the FFXIV community only for others to still try and brush it off as an isolated case or just downplay it in general.

[Jijifli]

having "grown up" using Zalera's NN I cannot say my experience was consistent with the "rep" that you have given it

also I have given lots of advice and never been ..."yeeted"

as in most things I suspect its more of a how you talk or give advice or receive it that determines if you are..."yeeted"

I only speak on the Zalera one from 2 sets of experience: The few times I world visited, and the Zalera's that do world visit over here and mention they're shocked they haven't been called the N word yet.

But if anything, I guess it's an example to prove a point, because you say it's not like that for most of the time, or it could just be a really bad apple in the bunch, and that's exactly something true on both game's communities.

Also, I haven't been yeeted either for any actual advice I've been given, just I've seen it used as a threat enough times that I know some don't because they're scared it'll happen. Then again I did get put into the gaol because I player spammed slur's at me in whisper and I reported it (Yes I'm serious. Great GM team guys). So what do I know? lol

I love the fact that this game you can get in trouble for trying to help people who don't want your help. That is the best thing about this game, and it is the reason why the game shines.

Until you're stuck unable to clear something because of the performance everyone else is bringing, who refuse to listen to a word you're saying, while at the same time choosing that kicking is bad on anybody, even yourself to get you into sweet release, so you sit there in a stupidly easy dungeon for 90 minutes because they refuse to even do the most basics of basics of basics at level 80.

And if anything, this ALSO proves a point for me, so thanks. Why should people be scared to help their fellow player when they clearly struggle with something, specially when we have an entire system created just for that? If we clearly hit a brick wall, something has to change up, no? And that means sometimes someone's just gonna have to tell you that something was done wrong and how to fix it.

Oh, and so it doesn't get "filled in" as the person from wow too. No, cussing you out and insulting you isn't advice. I think we can agree telling a player to get cancer isn't advice. But I do think reminding somebody about the stack marker so they don't run off with it as the healer is fine. Mentioning your combo line, is fine. Mentioning how astral fire boosts fire damage by up to 80%, which the game 100% poorly helps in telling how much it boosts, is fine.

…90% of the things they mentioned is optional. What are you even getting at with this post. It doesn’t matter if it’s optional in this case anyways, housing still doesn’t respect players’ time. If the devs did respect people’s time, they would look at fixing the system as a whole. Instanced housing would fix the entire situation but yoshi said he doesn’t like instanced so we didn’t get it…yeah real respect for the playerbase’s time there.

Also, in square defense, at least we're getting lottery system eventually so you don't sit there forever.

While not instanced housing, which would be the preference, at least this'll help prevent unhealthy camping, and also heavily reduce botting in that section as there's no camping for the bot to do. Only thing that'll do now is just probably hit more open houses, as it scans areas.

[KizuyaKatogami]

which are all optional. you dont need a house to finish the game, quest or get a relic, its something you want. because there is always more players that want housing, why shouldnt they set a time limit on it if you arent around?

Eureka/Bozja, again, optional content. neither is required for running or continuing to end game. I know people who have touched neither.

relics.. well, again, fairly optional and they have ALWAYS been designed as a time sink. sure, you may get a decent weapon, but its mostly for glamour in the long run. designed, with Eureka/Bozja as a time sink for people to do things until the next expansion. If you choose to speed run or grinds, thats a personal choice, it is not something you HAVE to do.

…90% of the things they mentioned is optional. What are you even getting at with this post. It doesn’t matter if it’s optional in this case anyways, housing still doesn’t respect players’ time. If the devs did respect people’s time, they would look at fixing the system as a whole. Instanced housing would fix the entire situation but yoshi said he doesn’t like instanced so we didn’t get it…yeah real respect for the playerbase’s time there.

[Krotoan]

It's fascinating to me how often someone comes forward to expose the abuse they have suffered within the FFXIV community only for others to still try and brush it off as an isolated case or just downplay it in general.

Same bewilderment comes from seeing people who react to each and every positive post with negativity and denial of the original posters experience.

[Izar_Chillen]

Um, have you not seen the housing in this game? Where you need to sit at a placard for hours on end tapping a placard in
hopes you get it while versing dozens of other players? Really respectful of players time…not to mention a house requires you to stay subbed since if you don’t enter it after 45 days you lose it. As for a grind fest,Eureka/Bozja….Also that dungeons thing you mentioned literally is in the game. Since relics require dungeon runs, people want them asap and speedrun dungeons. I dont really see how this is is supposed to be an "other mmos" thing when its literally a thing in 14.

The housing situation is poor due to the seriously lacking amount of servers to facilitate the amount of people buying a home ( hopefully to be remedied with their announcement of a new multi million dollar server infrastructure) . The loss of a plot is definatley something SE corpo made them put in place to ensure subs dont lapse .

This is shitty and we all know it , yet its advantageous to SE corp as the housing situation suffers because there isnt the server capacity to allow hundreds of virtual neighbourhoods to co-exist past what it is currently capped to.


Do you see endless Satasha runs in your roulette because its the most efficient way to grind for your end game currency or relic . Do you always get the dungeons and nothing but the dungeons tied to relic grinding in the higher level dungeons in roulette's ?


No of course you dont .

Some people grind in the content that is , in this game considered grindy such as Bozja or the older Euerka . Many stick to MSQ and roulettes and then log off, and then you have the always online lot playing music , or hanging in limsa or the PFinder crowds for endgame eden etc

Now go play SWTOR and see how many times you get anything but Hammer station because its the fastest way to get loot crates from the Galactic Command system (a max level thing) or gear from boss kills you need to equip to increase your rating so that higher ratings drops from crates or from npc kills . Watch how people skip entire zones , bosses , walled off zones via jump exploiting/glitches in many other dungeons because everyone is grinding their arse off for better gear because its sourced not just from daily quests but from old content because they opened the flood gates for drop rates but tied it all to a challenge/hunt log style system ( Galactic command and Conquest) .

Watch newbies being kicked because they slowed the group down or attacked verbally in party chat at for not spamming space bar to skip on a cut scene which is new to them , a far cry from the old days of swtors community attitude towards new players experiencing the story because the developers took the piss out of the players time repeating old content grinds with the same old end game systems just renamed for the latest expansion.

I hear WoW has been abusive and very brash about gutting things during a life cycle of a current expack , trampling over all the work people put in


Is FF14 like this?? Not even close

[Theodric]

Same bewilderment comes from seeing people who react to each and every positive post with negativity and denial of the original posters experience.

It's a dose of realism and caution amidst a dangerous pack of wolves.

The simple fact that the lead developer had to speak out and explicitly state that male viera would not be designed to resemble young children is proof enough in itself that there is a very rotten underbelly within the FFXIV community. To say nothing of the repeated scandals regarding cults and predators being exposed amongst Free Companies and Discord communities.

Perhaps you've been lucky and haven't experienced such things - but with the general lack of willingness for the community to acknowledge its flaws, I don't see the point in beating around the bush.

When I first started playing ESO, someone randomly gave me gold because they liked the look of my character. I met a number of good friends during my time playing WoW.

FFXIV really isn't anything special. It has the same amount of good and bad as any other MMO out there.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's the worst community ever. Just that it really isn't the perfect, flawless and wholly welcoming entity that it is all too often portrayed as being around these parts.

In short? It's a matter of balance.

[Krotoan]

It's a dose of realism and caution amidst a dangerous pack of wolves.

"Hi everyone! I've been enjoying this game so much and everyone has been so nice!"

"Just wait, this horrible thing happened to me and it will happen to you! The Nice things you think are all wrong and smoke and mirrors!"


... Like.. it's OK to be wary but this reaction to EVERY SINGLE POSITIVE EXPERIENCE is just tired and apparently for the majority of vocal people coming here UNTRUE. Let people find their own experience and say some nice things.

The simply fact that the lead developer had to speak out and explicitly state that male viera would not be designed to resemble young children is proof enough in itself that there is a very rotten underbelly within the FFXIV community. To say nothing of the repeated scandals regarding cults and predators being exposed amongst Free Companies and Discord communities.

It's proof that there's gross humans out there who exist in absolutely every single community who are the reason we can't have nice things. Nobody is saying those people don't exist.

Perhaps you've been lucky and haven't experienced such things - but with the general lack of willingness for the community to acknowledge its flaws, I don't see the point in beating around the bush.

I've been around online communities quite long enough to see both ends of the scale, what I don't see is the point in bringing this up every time someone has something positive to say or details their positive new experience. There are always the same "wet blanket" posters in here who always react the same way, as if they NEED their crappy experiences validated by making sure others feel the same way about everyone else.

When I first started playing ESO, someone randomly gave me gold because they liked the look of my character. I met a number of good friends during my time playing WoW.

FFXIV really isn't anything special. It has the same amount of good and bad as any other MMO out there.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that it's the worst community ever. Just that it really isn't the perfect, flawless and wholly welcoming entity that it is all too often portrayed as being around these parts.

That was awesome and as someone who has played a lot of other MMO's I can tell you that FFXIV does have it's fair share of undesirables, trolls and jerks.. but we don't have to detail this like it's some sort of inevitability that people will constantly be running into them.

The claim that FFXIV is some wonderland utopia is next to completely non-existent, the constant response to positivity with "just you wait till THIS happens to you because I had a crappy experience and it's what this game is REALLY like" posts however are FAR more common.

[Theodric]

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