An idea regarding Relic raids.

[Kranel_San]

Hello! This is my first post. I used to be a reader only and would have probably stayed as, has this idea never came to my head, because ever since I wanted to share it with others and see their own opinions on the matter.
So ever since the introduction of Bozja content, we had three new instances. Castrum Lacus Litore. Delubrum Reginae. The Dalriada.
In design, I would have to say they're quite interesting and great! However, I was thinking. In 6.0 or even later, I might want to return to them ( For Relic, achievements, or just for fun ) or maybe someone would like to get into them but they're too late for the fun? I realize The Baldesion Arsenal is similar to the three mentioned, one I have yet to do but hearing there are some organized runs for it so this may be what will happen to Bozja instances.
What I would like to suggest is the introduction of Bozja instances, as well as Baldesion Arsenal, to the duty finder, and with a roulette dedicated to them as well. Let's call it: Relic Raids roulette
This should help new, returners, and late-but-not-new players to do the content while encouraging people who have done it to do it for roulette rewards in form of XP and Gil and anything else, similarly to the alliance raids roulette.
Now, what about the number of players, roles, and lost actions?

Q: Both Castrum and Dalriada can host up to 72 players, while Baldesion arsenal up to 56, and DR up to 48.
A: Well this, as well as roles and lost actions are all up to the dev team. Personally, as much as I would like to suggest all should be a 48 man content, it will be much easier to queue as 24 man, same as Alliance raids, but who knows? It might be also easy to queue in a 48 man content!

Q: All are open to all roles so you may get into a full party of healers or a full raid of DPS ( I don't know about Baldesion Arsenal but I guess it's the same? )
A: Maybe I'm just used to it, but even currently i would like Bozja content ( DR specifically since its pure queue and doesn't have to be inside an instance to join ) to have the alliance raid formula, aka 1 tank, 2 healers, and 5 DPS per party, but again this is up to the dev team to decide and I'm just suggesting an idea

Q: Bozja instances have lost actions. What's the deal with them?
A: They can get a rework or be kept the same way they are to be different than alliance raids. I don't mind either but as I said it's all up to the dev team.

And that's all. Thank you for reading! Please share with me your opinions on the idea ^__^

Edit#1: The idea is for the content when it becomes irrelevant in 6.0 and beyond.

[Jeeqbit]

A full party of DPS is fine in these raids because you can use Lost Cures, Resistance Potions and Phoenix Downs do the healing.

[Kranel_San]

A full party of DPS is fine in these raids because you can use Lost Cures, Resistance Potions and Phoenix Downs do the healing.

From personal experience. This wasn't the case multiple times.
Regardless that's up to the dev team to decide whether to keep the current formula or take the alliance raids formula. I'm just suggesting it to be available to queue from DF and with its own roulette in future patches.

[Jeeqbit]

From personal experience. This wasn't the case multiple times.

If in your personal experience it wasn't fine, then those 8 DPS did not know how to use Lost Actions and that is their fault, not the developers'.

I have kept my whole party alive easily with them when there hasn't been a healer, while also main tanking.

[Wolwosh]

PS4 players will have a blast with 72 people in an Alliance xD

[Vahlnir]

I'd love to see BA and DRS made much more accessible, though I'm not really sure what the best solution to that would be. I refuse to use Discord. It has its uses, but I think requiring it is detrimental to the content that it is supposedly "needed" for at least as far as player participation goes.

[Catwho]

I'd love to see BA and DRS made much more accessible, though I'm not really sure what the best solution to that would be. I refuse to use Discord. It has its uses, but I think requiring it is detrimental to the content that it is supposedly "needed" for at least as far as player participation goes.

We've been scheduling stuff outside of the game since the days of FFXI. I used to help manage the unofficial/agreed upon Dynamis schedule for my XI server on the Zam forums, outside of the game. Discord is just the latest manifestation of that because XIV doesn't really allow for good asynchronous communication inside of the game.

Before Alliance Roulette was added, there was a general consensus on Primal DC that "6PM Sunday is when we will all run alliance raids." I haven't quite heard any similar consensus around CLL/Dalriuda, even though we could organized things through Party Finder if there was an agreed upon time. I also don't know of any CLL/Dalriuda specific linkshells, although I haven't actually looked for them either.

[Kranel_San]

If in your personal experience it wasn't fine, then those 8 DPS did not know how to use Lost Actions and that is their fault, not the developers'.

I have kept my whole party alive easily with them when there hasn't been a healer, while also main tanking.

Excuse me, but when i ever said it was the developers' fault? I never blamed anyone for anything in this thread.
The whole thread is about me suggesting that relic raids should be accessible from DF with their own roulette, and the roles are UP TO the developers to decide whether to be alliance raid-like or stay as they are.

[TaleraRistain]

I think one thing the developers have not fully thought through with their SB and ShB relic design is what happens when the content dies. It actually came to a head after CLL. People stopped running CLL and it became a huge bottleneck for those coming after. And that happened in the same expansion it came out in. The Twelve only know what's going to happen when no one is running it in Endwalker.

Contrast this with ARR and HW. You can go do everything for ARR and HW relics now, and only experience normal DF queues for any steps requiring group content. Alliance Raid Roulette was a big want on these forums and elsewhere for a long time because people were waiting and waiting and waiting in queue and now we can do them quickly and simply. So quickly and simply that they didn't even hesitate to add a set to mandatory MSQ. I think similar treatment toward at least these instances (and anything they could possibly do to help with Eureka) would go a long way toward effective future-proofing.

[Kranel_San]

I think one thing the developers have not fully thought through with their SB and ShB relic design is what happens when the content dies. It actually came to a head after CLL. People stopped running CLL and it became a huge bottleneck for those coming after. And that happened in the same expansion it came out in. The Twelve only know what's going to happen when no one is running it in Endwalker.

Contrast this with ARR and HW. You can go do everything for ARR and HW relics now, and only experience normal DF queues for any steps requiring group content. Alliance Raid Roulette was a big want on these forums and elsewhere for a long time because people were waiting and waiting and waiting in queue and now we can do them quickly and simply. So quickly and simply that they didn't even hesitate to add a set to mandatory MSQ. I think similar treatment toward at least these instances (and anything they could possibly do to help with Eureka) would go a long way toward effective future-proofing.

It happened in the same patch. I was one of those unlucky folks who had to wait for weeks to be able to get Castrum done because I was busy with real-life when it dropped. Couldn't believe myself when I've done castrum after countless failed runs, and I totally agree with your other points!