Biggest pet peeves when it comes to dungeon runs?

[Shurrikhan]

Don't know where you're pulling those numbers from, I can think of a certain place, but I've never had a run take 15-30 minutes longer just because the tank isn't multipulling.

But they do, very often, take 10 minutes longer, as per the difference between 20 and 30, as above.

30-20 = 10, not... your "two minutes", no?

[Joven]

But they do, very often, take 10 minutes longer, as per the difference between 20 and 30, as above.

30-20 = 10, not... your "two minutes", no?

It's called an exaggeration, but I guess that concept is lost on some people.

[Shurrikhan]

It's called an exaggeration, but I guess that concept is lost on some people.

Then why be offended by others' realistic estimates if your answer thereto relies on hyperbole?

[Joven]

Then why be offended by others' realistic estimates if your answer thereto relies on hyperbole?

Because like I've said, I've never had a run take nearly that much longer just because the tank pulled slow. 5, *maybe* 10 minutes more, at most, but to say upwards to 30 minutes you'd have to be wiping on every other pull for that to be a "realistic" estimate.

[Yeol]

Because like I've said, I've never had a run take nearly that much longer just because the tank pulled slow. 5, *maybe* 10 minutes more, at most, but to say upwards to 30 minutes you'd have to be wiping on every other pull for that to be a "realistic" estimate.

Each dungeon instance has a timer at the right starts with 90:00. By the time you finish the dungeon, subtract the remaining time and you get how long you've spent inside. You should get the numbers between 15-30. Maybe more if the group is really bad, maybe less if actually going for speedrunning. It also depends on the dungeon itself. Most dungeons don't need more than 20 minutes to be cleared. This is where 15-20-30 came from. It's a habit of mine to calculate

[Shurrikhan]

but to say upwards to 30 minutes you'd have to be wiping on every other pull for that to be a "realistic" estimate.

Cool. Maybe that's why no one here has said that.

Here are all the posts in this thread prior to yours that use any variant of the word "minute". Perhaps you could point out to me where anyone said that a run takes "30 minutes longer" because of a tank not multi-pulling?

the minute you click on "join" you subscribe to the holy trinity

yet they insist on making them 10 minute zergs

I get that we may be together for only 5 minutes (depending on content)

About 16 minutes. Would've been faster if the tank wasn't griefing and hurling abuse.

We've had someone imply that what would normally take 15 or 20 minutes would thereby probably turn into 20 or 30 minutes, respectively, which is quite literally "5, maybe 10 minutes more, at most." But the only mention of "30 minute(s)" is specifically in describing the deserter penalty.

Meanwhile, you've gone from calling the difference between multipulling and not a matter of "0.2 minutes" to accusing others of exaggerative values they've never used??? That's... not a great look.

[Liam_Harper]

Yeah and that usually gets patched/Nerfed, it isn't the first time in an MMO that a class is OP, WoW had that problem with Paladins, and Death Knights, but again, it isn't the norm.

I don't see it as a problem personally. Immortal DK's in WoW were some of the best fun in that game, especially since it took a really good player to pull it off. The average player just died and the only reason they nerfed them was because those average players got salty over it. Which was a mistake to listen to them. It made tanks appealing and rewarding to play.

The problem isn't OP classes, it's underpowered dungeons. Experts hit like a wet noodle. Abilities like Nascent should be opportunities to justify more threatening damage.

[Minarisweet]

Sure it's not hard to get the aggro back. But it's time lost. Instead of a fast and proper pull you waste your first GCD because the mobs run to the healer instead of you, so you don't hit all of them. Then you have to run back to the healer, do another AoE, and another one or else the dps will pull aggro off while you run to the next pack.
This does not only slow the run down, you also eat a lot more damage as a tank, so the healer actually has to heal more instead of less (thanks to the regen). Ideally you use sprint to run to the next pack, avoiding auto attacks with our speed. But instead you have to drag the enemys back and forth and get hit a lot.

Unmend + provoke... Did tanks forget that they have aggro generating skills or something? I play healer and tank and prepull regen has only done me more good than bad.

[ReynTime]

Healers putting regen on the tank before a pull. Drives me insane every time before I can get the aggro on all the mobs.

A good tank won't have any problem with this. I tank often and I EXPECT the regen. It's trivially simple to drag the monsters to me. It's baffling people think this is a big issue.

[Goji1639]

A good tank won't have any problem with this. I tank often and I EXPECT the regen. It's trivially simple to drag the monsters to me. It's baffling people think this is a big issue.

Problem is that a lot of healers will peel aggro and then just stand there like "umm... you lost aggro tank... get back here, do your job and get these off of me!"