The New Sage Icon, Thoughts?

[StriderShinryu]

And people are free to make requests, any time, here on the forums. It doesn't mean every one will be worked, but they are free to ask.

This topic has turned into a complete mess and waste of space, but I'll just jump in on this because why not. The funny point about this whole "debate" is that the people complaining about the change and how SE is bending the knee to any and all change requests/complaints are often the first to jump into the "what you'd like to see changed" topics (and any topic where it's even just vaguely connected) and make their own requests. They love to shout from the rooftops about how the game is in a terrible state and will only be fixed if their specific, desired changes are made and their requests are listened to, but now here they are in a topic complaining because... SE listened to request for change. The obvious, blatant hypocrisy of it really is actually making for a pretty decent comedy bit.

[Vahlnir]

This topic has turned into a complete mess and waste of space, but I'll just jump in on this because why not. The funny point about this whole "debate" is that the people complaining about the change and how SE is bending the knee to any and all change requests/complaints are often the first to jump into the "what you'd like to see changed" topics (and any topic where it's even just vaguely connected) and make their own requests. They love to shout from the rooftops about how the game is in a terrible state and will only be fixed if their specific, desired changes are made and their requests are listened to, but now here they are in a topic complaining because... SE listened to request for change. The obvious, blatant hypocrisy of it really is actually making for a pretty decent comedy bit.

Yeah, this is basically what's happening. lol Meanwhile there's myself who also makes a fair number of requests pretty regularly simply not giving a hoot one way or another on this one. Was the change needed? Maybe not, no. But they did it anyway. That's...basically the end of that. Life goes on. The game did not catch on fire just because they changed how a symbol looked. Think we need to add this to the "Many Deaths of FF XIV" thread wherever that thing is.

[Wavaryen]

*sighs* this forum I swear sometimes I feel I lose brain cells coming here.


Changing an Icon is easy to do, and takes very little time. Why would you not do it? The icon is not a story device so it is simple change. Unlike story elements that can be designed to make you feel that way. Changing a icon to be better for some people is not some "sign" of bad things coming.


Some things never change with mmo players lol.

[hydralus]

No one said that, but some things are easy fixes, while others arent.


Plus, some things are just intrinsic to world design, like oceans, water, etc.

I have arachnophobia, and hate winged insects also to the point of a phobia. I flinch at house flies. The insects in game don't bother me. That's just me tho.


And people are free to make requests, any time, here on the forums. It doesn't mean every one will be worked, but they are free to ask.

Yes I realize it's an easy fix. That's why it comes across as shallow and self-serving. To me, it's legitimately worse than if they simply didn't do anything at all. They've said with this action, "We will try to make people with phobias comfortable", but we all know it's an empty gesture meant to get brownie points and seem like a caring company (well okay maybe not 'all', seems a lot of people are pretty naive). Will it actually stop people from getting their trypophobia triggered when playing the game? Nope, there's way, way more instances in-game that they absolutely will not remove so it's not even helping the people it's supposed to help. Like if they removed one mention of rape and sexual abuse in Stormblood's story but kept the other instances in, that'd seem super weird and useless to you, wouldn't it?

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Yeah, this is basically what's happening. lol Meanwhile there's myself who also makes a fair number of requests pretty regularly simply not giving a hoot one way or another on this one. Was the change needed? Maybe not, no. But they did it anyway. That's...basically the end of that. Life goes on. The game did not catch on fire just because they changed how a symbol looked. Think we need to add this to the "Many Deaths of FF XIV" thread wherever that thing is.

Here you go.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...al-Fantasy-XIV

[Vahlnir]

Here you go.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...al-Fantasy-XIV

Thanks! You are doing the Twelve's work.

[TaleraRistain]

That particular icon didn't trigger my trypophobia, but I can easily see how it could in others. I'm affected by the default monk chakra gauge so I have to keep that on Simple. But SE got feedback that something was really bothering many in the playerbase, found they were at a point where they could make a change, and did so. And the new icon retains much of the what old had so it's not a complete redesign. I think their changing things was very considerate and is one of those ways that they show they really do care about us.

And for those naysayers saying that they shouldn't have changed something just because of "disgust", trypophobia when it's set off can range from mild disgust or aversion to nausea and panic attacks.

SE has received feedback on other things that were negatively affecting players to that extent before and made small, simple, helpful changes. This is no different.

[Miracle_Diva]

I personally think that if they would just cover up the holes in the original one, it would look way better than the new one.

[Unholychinchilla]

So as long as something's easy to do then it's fine? Screw those other people with phobias, they're too difficult to cater to?

I think it's more an issue of balancing impact on people. The edit of a job icon for an unreleased job has a very low impact on (no impact for most of us in fact) the majority compared to the impact of not changing on the minority that suffer trypophobia to that degree. Similar with adjusting the graphics on some effects in Tower. The change is barely noticeable for me but before the change it was forcing people to stat out of the duty for the sake of their health.

On the other hand, removing or changing mobs, scenery or even a dungeon has a much bigger impact both on dev time and on player experience.

If a change would have more negative impact that positive, that's good reason to not go ahead. But if a change has no real negative impact, like the Icon change, why not do it?

[Pirana1]

*sighs* this forum I swear sometimes I feel I lose brain cells coming here.

Some things never change with mmo players lol.

You just might... Why I rarely engage in discussions on most of these platforms. Although, it does make for an interesting read during my morning coffee. It's almost like reading the old National Enquirer.