Are the numbers too high?

[Rydin]

If you want to keep up in a discussion you should know what you're saying first. If what you have said doesn't make sense, which it doesn't, how about you just say that you never thought about it that way. That's what I would do if I were not making sense.

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

Example:
"I ate an entire 10oz. steak today... It was frikkin huge"
or
"I ate this little wimpy 10oz steak today"

neither is wrong...
FACT: You ate a 10oz steak
OPINION: it was either huge or wimpy

thats all I'm saying... Im not saying Eldaena was right or wrong... I'm just pointing out that saying "A little goes a long way" is an opinion
If you're saying that is not an opinion then there is no need to discuss it further because we obviously disagree on what is opinion

[Eldaena]

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

Example:
"I ate an entire 10oz. steak today... It was frikkin huge"
or
"I ate this little wimpy 10oz steak today"

neither is wrong...
FACT: You ate a 10oz steak
OPINION: it was either huge or wimpy

thats all I'm saying... Im not saying Eldaena was right or wrong... I'm just pointing out that saying "A little goes a long way" is an opinion
If you're saying that is not an opinion then there is no need to discuss it further because we obviously disagree on what is opinion

It is my opinion on significance of the data, not the data itself. Not everyone finds things as important as me. Rydin was correct that my opinion is subjective, but there really was not any reason to say so, since it should be common knowledge that opinions are such. That being the case, however, there is definitely an effect from stats. That is not subjective. I knew what Rydin was saying, and he was correct that my opinion was an opinion. That doesn't change that I still think that stats have a bigger impact than one may think based on the numbers shown.

[Rydin]

It is my opinion on significance of the data, not the data itself. Not everyone finds things as important as me. Rydin was correct that my opinion is subjective, but there really was not any reason to say so, since it should be common knowledge that opinions are such. That being the case, however, there is definitely an effect from stats. That is not subjective. I knew what Rydin was saying, and he was correct that my opinion was an opinion. That doesn't change that I still think that stats have a bigger impact than one may think based on the numbers shown.

Thats all Im saying.. it wasn't a personal attack...
I agree stats work... It says so in the OP... and you know an OP is sacred...
I just would prefer to see more...
I want to see a well geared CNJ with super awesome gear and materia add up to 50% more HP to their Curas....
thats all... Im not refuting you or your findings...
or a geared doing twice the damage of a naked one
I think all the talk of stats really has diluted the message... and I am to blame for that

[Eldaena]

Thats all Im saying.. it wasn't a personal attack...
I agree stats work... It says so in the OP... and you know an OP is sacred...
I just would prefer to see more...
I want to see a well geared CNJ with super awesome gear and materia add up to 50% more HP to their Curas....
thats all... Im not refuting you or your findings...
or a geared doing twice the damage of a naked one
I think all the talk of stats really has diluted the message... and I am to blame for that

lol I know you're not against what I said, I'm not upset, but don't you think gear making cures 50% more potent seems like too much?

[Rydin]

lol I know you're not against what I said, I'm not upset, but don't you think gear making cures 50% more potent through gear seems like too much?

as opposed to nude... sure... even if it means reducing your base cure

what if Cura healed for 800 nude with a weathered cane

And healed for 1000 fully geared (no materia)....

and healed for 1200 with applicable materia double melded

Im not really asking for us to be stronger... just that we be weaker when nude... and get more boost from gear

[Eldaena]

as opposed to nude... sure... even if it means reducing your base cure

what if Cura healed for 800 nude with a weathered cane

And healed for 1000 fully geared (no materia)....

and healed for 1200 with applicable materia double melded

Im not really asking for us to be stronger... just that we be weaker when nude... and get more boost from gear

In my original post, I mentioned that just because you aren't wearing gear it doesn't mean your character has forgotten combat or suddenly lost levels. It makes sense that a weapon, being an instrument to enhance your power, could greatly effect your end results, but I don't see why gear should be as much. (Don't get me wrong, I still think it should be effective, but balanced as it somewhat seems to be now.) Maybe super legendary gear one day could, though. Gear for the most part, even dungeon gear, is too easy to obtain now to be anymore powerful than it is, I think. Even though it's extremely rare, you can make fairly powerful gear with materia now, though it is difficult. Kind of the legendary gear of our current time, I guess.

If perhaps it was much more difficult to obtain a level 50 class, unlike now, would you still feel the same way about base stats and the effects we currently get with the gear we have?

[Mychael]

In my original post, I mentioned that just because you aren't wearing gear it doesn't mean your character has forgotten combat or suddenly lost levels. It makes sense that a weapon, being an instrument to enhance your power, could greatly effect your end results, but I don't see why gear should be as much. (Don't get me wrong, I still think it should be effective, but balanced as it somewhat seems to be now.)

You don't "forget how to battle," however, your hands would blister beyond use if you attacked with a sword/axe/spear days on end without gloves; using a bow, again, wthout gloves, isn't the best idea. Also, some gloves improve your grip on the weapon, further improving your accuracy and attack power. Using a heavier weapon, some sort of strap around your wrist would help transfer the weight from your hand itself to the wrist, allowing you to lift greater loads. Without shoes, you would be momentarily pained and unfocused by every rock, twig, bone chip, etc. that happens to be lying around. Belts or certain body garments would help relieve pressure on the back.

It's not all that unrealistic. However, you're right that the increases should be 10~40%, rather than 50%+.

The biggest point I agree with in this thread is that gear should have more of an impact on defense.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I'm not arguing with you... my point is facts are facts.... interpretation and commentary is not...

but arguing with you excites me.

[Rydin]

but arguing with you excites me.

I know it does... that's why I sent out a mass Email to all of Kashuan warning them about you

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

I know it does... that's why I sent out a mass Email to all of Kashuan warning them about you

Who made you the Kashuan voice of reason? Oh and btw, you're too late, I already warned them about me the day it was announced! BOOM! wait -- aww.