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    Free Company Housing Census - July 2021

    FC housing reports for July 2021 (working on a report to compare data from July 2020 and July 2021)

    Missing data: 0.02% (60/320,628)

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    Last edited by Big_Bap; 07-26-2021 at 01:12 PM.

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    It's kind of concerning how many shell FCs exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It's kind of concerning how many shell FCs exist.
    Wanna know what's even more concerning?

    How personal housing accounts for 70% of the houses on the North American/European Data Centers despite being inherently inferior while also failing to accommodate nearly as many players as FC housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Bap View Post
    Wanna know what's even more concerning?

    How personal housing accounts for 70% of the houses on the North American/European Data Centers despite being inherently inferior while also failing to accommodate nearly as many players as FC housing.
    You want to know what's more concerning?

    That people keep trying to grind personal housing to a halt when the truth is that more personal housing is the solution to the housing problem all because they could make far more with their shell FC sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Almagnus1 View Post
    You want to know what's more concerning?

    That people keep trying to grind personal housing to a halt when the truth is that more personal housing is the solution to the housing problem all because they could make far more with their shell FC sales.
    Wake me up when you start making sense. If ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Bap View Post
    Wanna know what's even more concerning?

    How personal housing accounts for 70% of the houses on the North American/European Data Centers despite being inherently inferior while also failing to accommodate nearly as many players as FC housing.
    As someone with a personal house I'll be the first to admit that personal housing was a mistake.
    Should have been FC only.
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    If it wasn't such a pain to move housing by completely dismantling everything, I'd attempt to upgrade my FC spot and dump my personal medium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    It's kind of concerning how many shell FCs exist.
    I'd be more interest in who owns them more than straight numbers.

    If the player only ones a single shell FC, that's understandable. It could be that they ended up the only one left active in a formerly active FC as other members transferred to other FCs/worlds or deleted characters they had stopped playing. It could be that they wanted to get a house at a time when there was a personal purchase moratorium so using a shell FC was the only way to do it. Owning a single FC house is within both the spirit and letter of the rules.

    If the player own multiple shell FCs, that's a problem that SE needs to address.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    As someone with a personal house I'll be the first to admit that personal housing was a mistake.
    Should have been FC only.
    Personal housing wasn't a mistake. FC housing tends to end up the plaything of a couple of officers while the rest of the members don't get to do anything other than walk around. It's not good content design when you give a small percentage of players control over other players' access to participate in content.

    The real mistake was ward housing instead of instanced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Bap View Post
    Wake me up when you start making sense. If ever.
    You awake yet? I've been making sense for a long time - it's not my fault if you're in FC housing dreamland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If the player only ones a single shell FC, that's understandable. It could be that they ended up the only one left active in a formerly active FC as other members transferred to other FCs/worlds or deleted characters they had stopped playing.
    I think that's where FC rank should play a part with the detection criteria in addition to FC population. I highly doubt that a former FC is going to be stuck at R6, or (like the example posted in the other thread) a FC of the married couple is going to be R6. Key part is figuring out what is (and isn't) a shell FC and hope the net causes as minimal collateral damage as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If the player own multiple shell FCs, that's a problem that SE needs to address.
    I honestly don't know if there's a good way to differentiate between one and the other. Although I would be open to a Mogg Station transaction for an FC house to allow the leader to turn it into a personal house if there has not been a leadership change in over a month or two.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Personal housing wasn't a mistake. FC housing tends to end up the plaything of a couple of officers while the rest of the members don't get to do anything other than walk around. It's not good content design when you give a small percentage of players control over other players' access to participate in content.
    Agree 100%

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    The real mistake was ward housing instead of instanced.
    Unfortunately, there's no way around this at this point as we're looking at Yoshi-P stuck with sunk cost fallacy.

    While I would love to have a GC squadron based airship base, as that could have made sense story wise if Garlemald would have stayed the big bad (as I suspect we're going to be ending that empire with Endwalkers), I don't really see the need for this justification as we'd need some sort of big bad that we could perpetually deploy our GC squad against, and use the airship to help with said deployment. That doesn't really work if we keep taking out all the big bads as the warrior of light >.<
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