Why can't y'all remember noob vs newb/newbie

[Pirana1]

Why someone would get irritated when a word is used incorrectly, at least in their eyes, is baffling. I suppose the next thread will be the use of their, they're, there or you're and your. It's about context, especially on a gaming forum where there are people from various geographical locations. This isn't college, nor is it an office job where improper grammar could be noticed. If someone gets called 'a fkn noob' or 'a fkn newbie', the context will be the same, you're being called out. What it boils down to is, does the message come across? Simplicity at its finest.

Oh, and by the way, in link number two and paragraph number two, the person incorrectly spells the word doesn't. If someone is going to question the use of another's grammar on any level, you better get your spelling right...

[Dragonblanco]

Next, they'll be claiming to be a "1337 h4x0r."

Hey, that used to be my password! lol. (Sadly, not joking).

To be honest, it first came up from someone shouting last month, "noob looking for FC." Then after kept seeing various people talk and kind of mixing on terms. It kind of started confusing me, especially when they didn't really say it with much context. "That guy is a noob." It's like, okay...how so?

And let's face it, in a game like this where profanity is against ToS, sometimes you have to result to things like "noob" instead of the real words you'd like to be calling them, lol. But I do still use newb/newbie or noob in original context. If person thinks they know everything and not open to learning, I'll call them a noob. If they pop into things just to cause arguments or whatever, I'll call them a troll. Like you said, a lot of that stuck with me from when I was that 11 year old or so around 1997. It's just language and culture that started then and still is within those of us in that age group still growing. Younger generation is creating their own terms, such as "Chad" and "Karen" in much the same way.

As to how much of an issue? I guess not a lot except for those moments of confusion for people. I mean, it sucks when you think you're helping a newb but instead find out you wasted your time with a noob. lol

[Dragonblanco]

Why someone would get irritated when a word is used incorrectly, at least in their eyes, is baffling. I suppose the next thread will be the use of their, they're, there or you're and your. It's about context, especially on a gaming forum where there are people from various geographical locations. This isn't college, nor is it an office job where improper grammar could be noticed. If someone gets called 'a fkn noob' or 'a fkn newbie', the context will be the same, you're being called out. What it boils down to is, does the message come across? Simplicity at its finest.

Oh, and by the way, in link number two and paragraph number two, the person incorrectly spells the word doesn't. If someone is going to question the use of another's grammar on any level, you better get your spelling right...

I wasn't on it about grammar persay. I was going to say not on it at all but I know how people can nitpick on definitions and all. Mine is just on a specific word/phrase and its misuse.

And no, big difference. One is "hey new player" while the other is "hey moron." So just saying when we have people using a term that is defamatory towards newer players, especially people who are familiar with the original usage, it can cause issues.

[Pirana1]

I wasn't on it about grammar persay. I was going to say not on it at all but I know how people can nitpick on definitions and all. Mine is just on a specific word/phrase and its misuse.

And no, big difference. One is "hey new player" while the other is "hey moron." So just saying when we have people using a term that is defamatory towards newer players, especially people who are familiar with the original usage, it can cause issues.

Incorrect. It's about the context and how the word was used. Which is why I phrased it the way I did. They both mean the same thing. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

[Tint]

Is it color or colour? Gray or grey? Donut or Doughnut? Collectable or collectible?

There simply are some words that you can spell differently.

[Dragonblanco]

Is it color or colour? Gray or grey? Donut or Doughnut? Collectable or collectible?

There simply are some words that you can spell differently.

There are some things that you can spell differently but with same meaning, such as you just listed. Then you have things like newb and noob which would be like the examples I gave earlier. Capital vs capitol, wait vs weight, etc are some of the earlier examples I gave.

Noob and newb are homophones. "a word that sounds like another but has a different spelling and meaning (homophone)"

One has a positive or neutral meaning while the other is negative. Hence the topic, but somehow people are trying to go too deep into it. Not even here to argue darn it. Just asking why people can't get it right. Seems like the answers here is that people either don't care about language or haven't learned about it. Either way....it is what it is.

[Breakbeat]

I wasn't on it about grammar persay.

That's per se. I wouldn't normally say anything at all, but the irony is towering over me, due to the topic/nature of this thread and the fact you've used a homophone that doesn't really exist.

Per se is Latin and means, "in and of itself" or "intrinsically".

Seems like the answers here is that people either don't care about language or haven't learned about it.

I disagree; that's not the case at all, and it's a sweeping generalization that doesn't really apply. I've studied language all of my life, nearly 30 years in total after graduating high school, as an adult including college and independent study. I understand your point. However, I also think that evolution of language is quite beautiful, and the way this evolution occurs is via errors in grammar and communication. Those lead to pidgin and patois, which in turn can become new dialects.

You, yourself, made a grammatical error, yet I can see you both care about language and have learned something about it. I hope you can take that onboard.

On a tangent, did you know people said and used "aks" for much longer than we have been saying "ask"? Common errors can actually become the norm if repeated often enough. ... Eh, I digress, now I'm getting into Metathesis. Another topic for another time.

As for homophones, you can take an entire class in how misconstrued or incorrect homophone usage has given birth to some of the most interesting communication we have as humans. You do realize puns started this way, right? Had we never misconstrued homophones (intentionally or otherwise), many aspects of comedic communication simply wouldn't exist.

Language would be tres boring if every grammatical rule were followed 100% of the time. I promise you.

[Vinupra-Rosa]

That's per se. I wouldn't normally say anything at all, but the irony is towering over me, due to the topic/nature of this thread and the fact you've used a homophone that doesn't really exist.

Per se is Latin and means, "in and of itself" or "intrinsically".



I disagree; that's not the case at all, and it's a sweeping generalization that doesn't really apply. I've studied language all of my life, nearly 30 years in total after graduating high school, as an adult including college and independent study. I understand your point. However, I also think that evolution of language is quite beautiful, and the way this evolution occurs is via errors in grammar and communication. Those lead to pidgin and patois, which in turn can become new dialects.

You, yourself, made a grammatical error, yet I can see you both care about language and have learned something about it. I hope you can take that onboard.

On a tangent, did you know people said and used "aks" for much longer than we have been saying "ask"? Common errors can actually become the norm if repeated often enough. ... Eh, I digress, now I'm getting into Metathesis. Another topic for another time.

As for homophones, you can take an entire class in how misconstrued or incorrect homophone usage has given birth to some of the most interesting communication we have as humans. You do realize puns started this way, right? Had we never misconstrued homophones (intentionally or otherwise), many aspects of comedic communication simply wouldn't exist.

Language would be tres boring if every grammatical rule were followed 100% of the time. I promise you.

Chances are you already know this (you did indicate it in your reply), but for those who don't know, here's a fun fact and an explanation:

In OE, the word that would become "Ask" had two variants. acs and asc. Conjugated to the infinitive, indicative 2nd person, and indicative plural, they are: acsian (ak-si-an) and ascian (as-chi-an), acsast (ac-sast) and ascast (as-casts), and acsiaþ (ak-si-ath) and asciaþ (as-chi-ath).

So in Old English, it's just as acceptable to "ax" a question as it is to "ask", and on top of that you can also "frain" if you so wish. In early to mid Middle English, "ax" remained a valid variant of "ask", and it was only in the latter half of Middle English that in the prestige dialect of English, "ax" (from acsian) was dropped and "ask" (from ascian) was kept as the valid word for "ask". "Frain"/"Frayne" (from Fregnan), a word that also means "ask" and is related to german "Fragen" fell out of use in Southern English (which gave rise to the standard) as well, and is mostly used nowadays in Scots and Northern English.

Fast forward to the future, and after the summary removal of "ax" from Prestige English as a variant of "ask", you have people re-developing an "aks" form from metathesis of "ask" --- this new "aks" is not directly descended from "acs(ian)" despite its similarities to middle english "ax", but is derived from the 'victorious' form "asc(ian)".

þū ascast mēc, hwār sindon cȳ mīn
þū acsast mēc, hwār sindon cȳ mīn
þū friġnest mēc, hwār sindon cȳ mīn

Either way, back to the point -- languages change, and... ah. I agree with you.

I said this before but it's kind of a futile effort to be prescriptivist towards slang, and it's best to simply take a descriptivist stance-- and as things stand, while there is a differentiation between "noob", "newb" and "newbie" in terms of severity (from most severe / offensive to least) it's still... slang, informal language. And as they are not formally codified (at least not yet) and taught, there's significant bleed in terms of meaning and context between them.

[Burmecia]

Want to know why? Because people just do not care.

I am not even native English speaker and I do not feel like googling too hard atm.
But I'd see the root for all these variations (nub, noob, newb, etcetc) being just newbie/newcomer. Simple, right?
And then people have just done with the word what they do the best, shortening and/or stylizing it to fit whatever context/space/conversation/community the words had been brought into.
...Goodness this thread gives shivers by rousing some stupid memories from my GaiaOnline days. They liked to be very specific about newb =//= noob for some godforsaken reason.
Like, newb was much more wellmeaning title for someone who was just new to the forum, and noob was the annoying and loud and rude idiot new person to the forum. Like, devil is in the details at most.

[TaleraRistain]

True! "Sprout" actually sounds like a term of endearment. The little leaf icon is so cute, too!

SE was pretty clever in the icon and the term. It's a young plant and there's psychology there for people to want to protect and nurture young plants. And the cuteness of the icon makes it endearing.

It's the meme of the big guy in armor taking all the arrows for the smol with the wooden sword.

There are some people who are jerks to sprouts, but the community tends to come down pretty hard on that mentality.