Why can't y'all remember noob vs newb/newbie

[Pirana1]

Why someone would get irritated when a word is used incorrectly, at least in their eyes, is baffling. I suppose the next thread will be the use of their, they're, there or you're and your. It's about context, especially on a gaming forum where there are people from various geographical locations. This isn't college, nor is it an office job where improper grammar could be noticed. If someone gets called 'a fkn noob' or 'a fkn newbie', the context will be the same, you're being called out. What it boils down to is, does the message come across? Simplicity at its finest.

Oh, and by the way, in link number two and paragraph number two, the person incorrectly spells the word doesn't. If someone is going to question the use of another's grammar on any level, you better get your spelling right...

[Dragonblanco]

Why someone would get irritated when a word is used incorrectly, at least in their eyes, is baffling. I suppose the next thread will be the use of their, they're, there or you're and your. It's about context, especially on a gaming forum where there are people from various geographical locations. This isn't college, nor is it an office job where improper grammar could be noticed. If someone gets called 'a fkn noob' or 'a fkn newbie', the context will be the same, you're being called out. What it boils down to is, does the message come across? Simplicity at its finest.

Oh, and by the way, in link number two and paragraph number two, the person incorrectly spells the word doesn't. If someone is going to question the use of another's grammar on any level, you better get your spelling right...

I wasn't on it about grammar persay. I was going to say not on it at all but I know how people can nitpick on definitions and all. Mine is just on a specific word/phrase and its misuse.

And no, big difference. One is "hey new player" while the other is "hey moron." So just saying when we have people using a term that is defamatory towards newer players, especially people who are familiar with the original usage, it can cause issues.

[Pirana1]

I wasn't on it about grammar persay. I was going to say not on it at all but I know how people can nitpick on definitions and all. Mine is just on a specific word/phrase and its misuse.

And no, big difference. One is "hey new player" while the other is "hey moron." So just saying when we have people using a term that is defamatory towards newer players, especially people who are familiar with the original usage, it can cause issues.

Incorrect. It's about the context and how the word was used. Which is why I phrased it the way I did. They both mean the same thing. This shouldn't be hard to understand.

[Breakbeat]

I wasn't on it about grammar persay.

That's per se. I wouldn't normally say anything at all, but the irony is towering over me, due to the topic/nature of this thread and the fact you've used a homophone that doesn't really exist.

Per se is Latin and means, "in and of itself" or "intrinsically".

Seems like the answers here is that people either don't care about language or haven't learned about it.

I disagree; that's not the case at all, and it's a sweeping generalization that doesn't really apply. I've studied language all of my life, nearly 30 years in total after graduating high school, as an adult including college and independent study. I understand your point. However, I also think that evolution of language is quite beautiful, and the way this evolution occurs is via errors in grammar and communication. Those lead to pidgin and patois, which in turn can become new dialects.

You, yourself, made a grammatical error, yet I can see you both care about language and have learned something about it. I hope you can take that onboard.

On a tangent, did you know people said and used "aks" for much longer than we have been saying "ask"? Common errors can actually become the norm if repeated often enough. ... Eh, I digress, now I'm getting into Metathesis. Another topic for another time.

As for homophones, you can take an entire class in how misconstrued or incorrect homophone usage has given birth to some of the most interesting communication we have as humans. You do realize puns started this way, right? Had we never misconstrued homophones (intentionally or otherwise), many aspects of comedic communication simply wouldn't exist.

Language would be tres boring if every grammatical rule were followed 100% of the time. I promise you.

[Vinupra-Rosa]

That's per se. I wouldn't normally say anything at all, but the irony is towering over me, due to the topic/nature of this thread and the fact you've used a homophone that doesn't really exist.

Per se is Latin and means, "in and of itself" or "intrinsically".



I disagree; that's not the case at all, and it's a sweeping generalization that doesn't really apply. I've studied language all of my life, nearly 30 years in total after graduating high school, as an adult including college and independent study. I understand your point. However, I also think that evolution of language is quite beautiful, and the way this evolution occurs is via errors in grammar and communication. Those lead to pidgin and patois, which in turn can become new dialects.

You, yourself, made a grammatical error, yet I can see you both care about language and have learned something about it. I hope you can take that onboard.

On a tangent, did you know people said and used "aks" for much longer than we have been saying "ask"? Common errors can actually become the norm if repeated often enough. ... Eh, I digress, now I'm getting into Metathesis. Another topic for another time.

As for homophones, you can take an entire class in how misconstrued or incorrect homophone usage has given birth to some of the most interesting communication we have as humans. You do realize puns started this way, right? Had we never misconstrued homophones (intentionally or otherwise), many aspects of comedic communication simply wouldn't exist.

Language would be tres boring if every grammatical rule were followed 100% of the time. I promise you.

Chances are you already know this (you did indicate it in your reply), but for those who don't know, here's a fun fact and an explanation:

In OE, the word that would become "Ask" had two variants. acs and asc. Conjugated to the infinitive, indicative 2nd person, and indicative plural, they are: acsian (ak-si-an) and ascian (as-chi-an), acsast (ac-sast) and ascast (as-casts), and acsiaþ (ak-si-ath) and asciaþ (as-chi-ath).

So in Old English, it's just as acceptable to "ax" a question as it is to "ask", and on top of that you can also "frain" if you so wish. In early to mid Middle English, "ax" remained a valid variant of "ask", and it was only in the latter half of Middle English that in the prestige dialect of English, "ax" (from acsian) was dropped and "ask" (from ascian) was kept as the valid word for "ask". "Frain"/"Frayne" (from Fregnan), a word that also means "ask" and is related to german "Fragen" fell out of use in Southern English (which gave rise to the standard) as well, and is mostly used nowadays in Scots and Northern English.

Fast forward to the future, and after the summary removal of "ax" from Prestige English as a variant of "ask", you have people re-developing an "aks" form from metathesis of "ask" --- this new "aks" is not directly descended from "acs(ian)" despite its similarities to middle english "ax", but is derived from the 'victorious' form "asc(ian)".

þū ascast mēc, hwār sindon cȳ mīn
þū acsast mēc, hwār sindon cȳ mīn
þū friġnest mēc, hwār sindon cȳ mīn

Either way, back to the point -- languages change, and... ah. I agree with you.

I said this before but it's kind of a futile effort to be prescriptivist towards slang, and it's best to simply take a descriptivist stance-- and as things stand, while there is a differentiation between "noob", "newb" and "newbie" in terms of severity (from most severe / offensive to least) it's still... slang, informal language. And as they are not formally codified (at least not yet) and taught, there's significant bleed in terms of meaning and context between them.