Why can't y'all remember noob vs newb/newbie

[Fyrebrand]

I agree that "newbie" and "noob" indicate rather different tones or attitudes, with "noob" typically being understood as a scornful or shameful term.

"Newbie" is like a bare statement of fact, it is someone who is new to the content. "Noob" comes with baggage, though. It implies a negative opinion of someone, however unstated. You could say "git gud noob," but I've never seen anyone ever say "git gud newbie." Likewise, you might see ads for FCs that openly welcome "newbies" or "new players," but I never see them offering an open palm toward "noobs." It is understood that this term holds a negative connotation.

I'm sure they get used interchangeably from time to time, though. It depends on the context. For example, someone might jokingly refer to themself as a noob if they're screwing up. Or if you call someone you're familiar with a noob, it can be understood as a friendly jab. But among strangers in Duty Finder, subtle differences can matter. You should not call someone you don't know a "noob." Them's fightin' words.

That said, I'm not sure how much of an issue this really is..? I haven't seen this happening, at least not in my experience. If someone is unironically tossing around "noob" as an insult in this day and age, wow -- they need to grow up. That's something a 13 year old would say, in like 1997. Next, they'll be claiming to be a "1337 h4x0r."

[TaleraRistain]

I'm sure they get used interchangeably from time to time, though. It depends on the context. For example, someone might jokingly refer to themself as a noob if they're screwing up. Or if you call someone you're familiar with a noob, it can be understood as a friendly jab. But among strangers in Duty Finder, subtle differences can matter. You should not call someone you don't know a "noob." Them's fightin' words.

That said, I'm not sure how much of an issue this really is..?

The whole argument is kind of silly and moot anyway. We use sprouts more than anything.

[Fyrebrand]

The whole argument is kind of silly and moot anyway. We use sprouts more than anything.

True! "Sprout" actually sounds like a term of endearment. The little leaf icon is so cute, too!

[Vinupra-Rosa]

The whole argument is kind of silly and moot anyway. We use sprouts more than anything.

A bit of a tangent, but I love how our common game term's a generally highly positive thing. Like...

Noob - very negative
Newb - somewhat negative, can be neutral
Newbie - mostly neutral, can be contextually negative or positive
Novice - neutral
Sprout - generally very positive, occasionally neutral

[Alxyzntlct]

That said, I'm not sure how much of an issue this really is..? I haven't seen this happening, at least not in my experience. If someone is unironically tossing around "noob" as an insult in this day and age, wow -- they need to grow up. That's something a 13 year old would say, in like 1997. Next, they'll be claiming to be a "1337 h4x0r."

HA! Thank you! I just read through this thread and felt the entire thing to be a wee bit silly, and I kid you not, what you said here is EXACTLY what I was thinking too! Right down to the "1337 h4x0r", lol!

[kaynide]

But despite "Anime" being derived from "Animation" incredibly recently, you don't generally use the word "Anime" in English to refer to Western Animation (which are usually called cartoons)-- it's used to refer exclusively to Eastern Animation.

Fun fact: In Japan, they do use the word Anime to refer to all cartoons, including western animation. It literally means "Cartoon".

[LuciaMirain]

I call them noobies.

[Neoyoshi]

American English versus British English is a thing; so why can't English versus Urban Dictionary be one as well? xD

[Jin-]

Use of Chad is funny nowadays and if you know what it really means. Eww, person saying they are absolutely chad. Well be my quest lol

[Vinupra-Rosa]

Fun fact: In Japan, they do use the word Anime to refer to all cartoons, including western animation. It literally means "Cartoon".

Yea, am aware of that. I was referring more to how the word is used in English.

Animé in English is an obvious loaning of Japanese アニメ which is a contraction of アニメーション which comes from the English word «Animation» --- but the word Animé as it is used in English has a very specific meaning that differs from even the Japanese usage of it.

An example closer to the whole "newbie" vs "noob" thing would be the case of the english word Fan.

Fan, in the sense of being "an admirer" ("I'm an FFXIV fan") comes from the word "fanatic", which has a much more severe meaning in the sense of "someone who is excessively obsessed". You can go say "I'm an FFXIV fan!" or "We are only fans of her work" but I doubt you'd be saying "I'm an FFXIV fanatic!" or "we are only fanatics of her work" unless... well, unless you are a fanatic.

It's a reverse of the "newbie" vs "noob" situation where the clipped form "noob" is seen as harsher/demeaning than the full form "newbie", whereas the clipped form "fan" is a generally neutral term to contrast to the full form "fanatic" which is perceived as unpleasant.