The game should have alcohol

[Roeshel]

Just to play a slant of devils advocate we could be doing this about the common diet so high in sugars (or carbs, the quantity many eat is not necessary and is mostly a result of pleasure, culture issues, and stress management). The common diet is truly slowly killing many people, too large of a weight is becoming more and more common- people are straining their body significantly and greatly shortening both the general length of their lives and quality of that length.

Not that it should matter, but said by a large guy (6'1'' 260lb) - not a skinny person looking down on everyone lol.

There are many foods in FFXIV could fall under "purely for pleasure' as it's relatively non-valuable for the body to consume. Certainly you can do things to lessen the issue, eat a bunch of junk food but you're an Olympic power athlete.. well.. fine.. But your body in occasional quantities could do that to alcohol too (obviously frequently and in large quantities your body would be giving up, but same to 'junk food').

Which isn't to say ban all food lol, that'd be silly, but no alcohol imo is along the lines of "no junk food in FFXIV". Ban the Twinkies! lol

While vices are important to be managed or they can go all sorts of wrong... I think, at least currently, vices are very much a natural part of our lives that we take part in at all ages (junk for for kids, not saying lets get kids smoking lol).

Also imo there are some very tasty drinks, and some very very .. non-tasty drinks. You just probably didn't give many a try because you're already with a predisposed negative outlook on the idea (which is fine), but to say the variety of flavors in drinks is absolutely insane. I've a plum wine right now that is sweeter than most soda and you can't really taste the alcohol but you feel it internally lol. Personally I do limit drinking because I don't fancy the idea of being drunk, or causing severe stress to my body (am trying to be less weighty too :P), but all in good time.

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

[Shougun]

I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.

Cheers

These things would be small details, those things that like.. one person may be halted and it just strikes them a way that they remember for whatever reason and for another it's massively forgettable lol. I may have a general enamoration with small details coming of the larger ones like a fractal.. DEEPER, dream with a dre-- XD. But I wouldn't expect it would be important to everyone. I do think when the gameplay itself is very good, that then having a minor sense of fractaling (small detail appreciation) design makes a game go easier from "amazing gameplay" to a sort of lost sense of self a deep time altering immersion. (Naturally if you had to choose one you'd pick amazing gameplay first, but one, I think, would take both if they could lol).

Sometimes though I comment not for now, but the thought maybe they'll consider such concepts in the future, MMO in 2077 or whatever

People can't live without food. Food is a necessity. Alcohol, on the other hand, is pure poison. They sell it to young adults so that when they grow old they will live on medications. You get cheated into "feeling better" and they get your money systematically.

I don't excuse the overeating habits some people have. Usually, if everything is fine with a person their body should send the appropriate signals to stop eating. People getting severely overweight is a sign that something is just wrong and not working as intended. It's not that they are gluttons or something like that, they actually can't stop eating.

There was a particular line in my post making a distinction to junk food. If the take away was "food is a requirement" then you missed the point. Food, of some sort yes, Cake? No. You don't need cake. You don't need beer. You might say but if you were calorie deficit and you need energy and there was only a cake, so you need cake! Aha! Lawy-- no, because then beer would count lol. Or we could go with something far far more benign like Kombucha or Kefir, which verge into far more normal drinks with some health benefits.

Also on the whole compelled to eat aspect I'd say that's largely exaggerated, with some people being that way but that's an extreme disorder. At least if we're both reading the same thing which was it sounded like large people are compelled to eat, where in general I think its more of a want to eat, and it's easy to eat, and it's VERY easy to eat unhealthy - this makes up most people I'd say. It's practically encouraged to eat poorly as it is often the cheapest options, most advertisements (and sales pitch lies too "like this crazy sugary cereal is going to make you big and strong, ignore the type 2 diabetes"), being large is hardly an achievement of mental disorder in this day and age, just pick the wrong foods and not work out enough, you don't need to "overeat" - eating unhealthy thus affecting the body is a short and easy trip that doesn't require binging.

So not "food is needed" the point, as I agree if you go generic that's the take away, but I didn't I went specifically to the unhealthy foods - if you're to say that junk food also shouldn't be represented in FFXIV then at least it's consistent, no unhealthy drinks, even if there was moderation, no unhealthy food, but I was personally imaging people would be like "but but that unhealthy food is delicious it gets a pass" and then I'd call that out for logical inconsistency. Alcohol can cause problems but so can eating poorly, both of them can be severe life altering (and ending) problems.