The game should have alcohol

[Brightamethyst]

Uh...the literal giant zone that’s a huge casino. Which includes betting on chocobo racing,spending money on mini games, gambling your money away on scratch offs etc etc.

The Gold Saucer is the idea of a casino. Gameplay wise there's very little that could be considered actual gambling. You can't bet on chocobo races, it's impossible to lose MGP on the cactpot, etc. There isn't even a way to convert MGP back into gil.

It is almost identical to the way the bars and inns exude the idea of bars and drinking without any actual alcohol involved.

[Shougun]

Alcohol is in the game though, we have emotes and it features in many quests, housing items, and custcenes.

Maybe the vibe that it's not a game feature because it's not in a sense action-able, by that I mean I could emote drink something, heck I could drink something with a fermented description, but none of it is going to give a sense of actually drinking (at least given the context that I'm used to more tactile response to such action and now it feels 'empty', therefore 'not drinking' only pantomiming it). It's not like WoW is the only one here, since it's very common, and fairly popular, but drinking often would give a buzzed effect - blurry vision, etc. Stocking taverns and inns with 'action-able' drink I think would change the perspective massively.

One might argue on the word action-able and I'm thinking of a better name lol, but that's the issue in general I feel with FFXIV roleplay elements is they're not always 'not there' but certainly frequently there is a lack of tangibility to the "action". Do.. something... Show me what would happen. IF I've boots that say they've got rockets strapped to them.. Give.. Me.. The Rocket!.. lol. Or more in FFXIV sense, if I've a shield that is a lantern then make it a light source. Subtle things like plopping a campfire gives you warmth buff, or adds some function that adds a general sense of 'I've got a camp fire going' (restoration, buff, cooking, whatever), that adds an element of traction to the action that some games do well but imo FFXIV does not really (comment on a specific thing, not FFXIV as a whole, which is good). Like to me, going into jobs, Dragoon takes more fall damage than Ninja, equal to other jobs, it's just a big LOL? Where that extra step of traction was just not taken, for whatever reason. They're minor details, one much rather, if given only one (or false choice fallacy), would choose better gameplay over tiny details, but I do miss the tiny details in some situations where it's like "...hmm.. rubbing my fingers together and I feel nothing, where's the friction on my finger tips and little ridges".

Feels good, imo, when there is effort to put traction, friction, into the little things (aiming for fun things particularly, less so if it's simply to be painful lol).

[ItMe]

How is this any different from gambling? Which is promoted in game. Heavily in fact. Other players shouldn’t have to go without something [...] that’s sad but to exclude it simply because of that minority is a bit messed up when they’ve already promoted gambling.

Gambling is also not something that should be put in a positive light.

[Roeshel]

there is nothing wrong about alcohol when youre drinking in small portions,

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The Gold Saucer is the idea of a casino. Gameplay wise there's very little that could be considered actual gambling. You can't bet on chocobo races, it's impossible to lose MGP on the cactpot, etc. There isn't even a way to convert MGP back into gil.

It is almost identical to the way the bars and inns exude the idea of bars and drinking without any actual alcohol involved.

Doesn’t disregard the fact there’s literally npcs everywhere talking about the money they’ve lost and spent. If we’re going to bring up the issue of “alcoholics could get triggered,” then you better bring up the issue of gambling. It’s just so weird to me that that’s people’s issue with it. When we have far darker and triggering themes such as literally the first dungeon where women are being enslaved to satisfy pirates lmao.

[Shougun]

Really?

Alcohol is a toxic substance for the human body. Regular consumption of alcohol is mainly linked with increased cancer rates and other complications with your body. The "Low-risk" is 14 units per week which is falsely considered "safe" by some people. There is no safe amount of drinking alcohol. Anything more than 14 units per week and you significantly start increasing your chances of getting a stroke, heart and liver disease, cancer of the mount, throat, and breasts, brain damage, and damage to other parts of your nervous system. These are the illnesses regular drinking of alcohol can bring you over the course of 10-20 years.

Alcohol is not even tasty aside from being completely unhealthy. I don't know how people are drinking it. I tried a couple of times and wanted to vomit after the first sip.

Just to play a slant of devils advocate we could be doing this about the common diet so high in sugars (or carbs, the quantity many eat is not necessary and is mostly a result of pleasure, culture issues, and stress management). The common diet is truly slowly killing many people, too large of a weight is becoming more and more common- people are straining their body significantly and greatly shortening both the general length of their lives and quality of that length.

Not that it should matter, but said by a large guy (6'1'' 260lb) - not a skinny person looking down on everyone lol.

There are many foods in FFXIV could fall under "purely for pleasure' as it's relatively non-valuable for the body to consume. Certainly you can do things to lessen the issue, eat a bunch of junk food but you're an Olympic power athlete.. well.. fine.. But your body in occasional quantities could do that to alcohol too (obviously frequently and in large quantities your body would be giving up, but same to 'junk food').

Which isn't to say ban all food lol, that'd be silly, but no alcohol imo is along the lines of "no junk food in FFXIV". Ban the Twinkies! lol

While vices are important to be managed or they can go all sorts of wrong... I think, at least currently, vices are very much a natural part of our lives that we take part in at all ages (junk for for kids, not saying lets get kids smoking lol).

Also imo there are some very tasty drinks, and some very very .. non-tasty drinks. You just probably didn't give many a try because you're already with a predisposed negative outlook on the idea (which is fine), but to say the variety of flavors in drinks is absolutely insane. I've a plum wine right now that is sweeter than most soda and you can't really taste the alcohol but you feel it internally lol. Personally I do limit drinking because I don't fancy the idea of being drunk, or causing severe stress to my body (am trying to be less weighty too :P), but all in good time.

[Awha]

Gambling is also not something that should be put in a positive light.

By what metric or standard? I never understood just because other people lack self control does means that a certain action should be viewed with an inherent negative stimga.

[Artemiz]

Maybe the vibe that it's not a game feature because it's not in a sense action-able, by that I mean I could emote drink something, heck I could drink something with a fermented description, but none of it is going to give a sense of actually drinking (at least given the context that I'm used to more tactile response to such action and now it feels 'empty', therefore 'not drinking' only pantomiming it). It's not like WoW is the only one here, since it's very common, and fairly popular, but drinking often would give a buzzed effect - blurry vision, etc. Stocking taverns and inns with 'action-able' drink I think would change the perspective massively.

One might argue on the word action-able and I'm thinking of a better name lol, but that's the issue in general I feel with FFXIV roleplay elements is they're not always 'not there' but certainly frequently there is a lack of tangibility to the "action". Do.. something... Show me what would happen. IF I've boots that say they've got rockets strapped to them.. Give.. Me.. The Rocket!.. lol. Or more in FFXIV sense, if I've a shield that is a lantern then make it a light source. Subtle things like plopping a campfire gives you warmth buff, or adds some function that adds a general sense of 'I've got a camp fire going' (restoration, buff, cooking, whatever), that adds an element of traction to the action that some games do well but imo FFXIV does not really (comment on a specific thing, not FFXIV as a whole, which is good). Like to me, going into jobs, Dragoon takes more fall damage than Ninja, equal to other jobs, it's just a big LOL? Where that extra step of traction was just not taken, for whatever reason. They're minor details, one much rather, if given only one (or false choice fallacy), would choose better gameplay over tiny details, but I do miss the tiny details in some situations where it's like "...hmm.. rubbing my fingers together and I feel nothing, where's the friction on my finger tips and little ridges".

Feels good, imo, when there is effort to put traction, friction, into the little things (aiming for fun things particularly, less so if it's simply to be painful lol).

I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.

By what metric or standard? I never understood just because other people lack self control does means that a certain action should be viewed with an inherent negative stimga.

Gambling is extremely addictive and harmful to many millions of people. Having know both drug addicts and gambling addicts I would argue gambling is much worse. Simply because it's legal, advertised everywhere and half the population don't seem to realize how hard it grips some people.

[weebtext]

Sounds like a waste of development time. Just go RP instead.

[Awha]

I do get what you're saying, I remember a quest in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you get drunk at the bar with your mate, it's one of the most fun quests in the game. FFXIV is quite a simple game though, by MMO standards. Weather is cosmetic only except for fishing etc.... even the classes themselves, BLM has less spells in this game than FFXI's version has fire spells alone, and it has the whole elemental wheel thing going on.

I guess what I'm saying is I don't think being drunk in the game is harmful or anything but most things don't effect our character, alcohol is just somewhere on the massive list so I'm not surprised and I don't really have a problem with it, personally.



Gambling is extremely addictive and harmful to many millions of people. Having know both drug addicts and gambling addicts I would argue gambling is much worse. Simply because it's legal, advertised everywhere and half the population don't seem to realize how hard it grips some people.

Once again does not answer the question, why just because some people do not understand self control should we view the practice of drinking and gambling as inherently negative?

Trust me I have seen the depths people go through when it comes to gambling my father was a professional gambler (worked on Wallstreet as a broker and hedge fund manger) despite he countless pleas and warnings that never invest what you are not comfortable with losing many friends and family members lost everything gambling on the market because they did not take the time to understand the game they were playing or have addictive personalities.

I am sorry if people have addictive personalities or do not take the time to understand the risks and rules associated with the whatever means of gambling they choose that is 100% on them. If some parent does not monitor their child's habits with the games they play that is also on them CC offer many alerts and tools regarding spending people should use them.

In short just because some people are impacted negatively by their actions does not mean they are inherently wrong. They do provide people with great enjoyment, happiness, and sometimes wealth.