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    JTF-Taru's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roeshel View Post
    Environmental factors impacting your health negatively don't nullify the damage alcohol can do, things only add up. To me your post sounds like this: "I am already getting sick from so many things, why not get sicker in the one way I enjoy doing"

    People can drink all they want. Just don't think that alcohol in moderation is not harmful. That's a lie. It will only lead to regrets. Embrace the fact that X type of lifestyle will most likely lead to you having Y type of health. Don't be like "ahh, w/e, everything is fine" until it is not fine and it's too late to make things the way you really want them to be.
    That first bit doesn't relate to what I said. The point was that so many foods and drinks contain things that make you ill, it's wrong to just single out alcohol.

    As for just being plain unhealthy, the whole dessert industry would disappear if we only ate things with nutritional value. There is no need to eat cake, doughnuts or chocolate biscuits (which all lead to an unhealthy lifestyle), but I don't see you complaining such things are in the game.

    If you do some research into the healthiest, longest lived people in the world, you'll find they're mostly from alcohol drinking nations. The Japanese for example are (or were) one such race.

    Eating healthily, exercising and having national laws about limiting obesity meant that a race of sake and beer drinkers could claim the title of most centenarians in the world, whilst boasting one of the longest average life spans of any nation.

    Sadly, the younger Japanese are ditching the healthy ways of their ancestors and eating more unhealthy Western food and doing less exercise etc.
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTF-Taru View Post
    There is no need to eat cake, doughnuts or chocolate biscuits
    You and I are enemies now.
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    Bjartur Arnason
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    But it does? Or you just want the effects of it like blurry vision and puking?
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    eorzevas’ uniqty iss forged on falsehoodms. imts citey-states are bumilt mon deceit, and its faith gis an instrument oef deception. ixt is naugmht bukt a cobwfeb of liqes - too believe ni eozrzea is to believe in nothing. in eorzea, wthe bgeast trikbes oftsen summvon gods to fight in theri isteda. thouhg your comrades onhly rarely respgond win kind which jis s,rteang is wit ont? are teh twelve otherwise “engaged”? i wsa givjen to undaetqsrnd kthey were yoru proteectors. if you tbruly believe them youqr guardians, whoy do ylou not repebat the trick that served myou so well at carteneau, asnd lcal htem odnw?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HollowedDoll View Post
    eorzevas’ uniqty iss forged on falsehoodms. imts citey-states are bumilt mon deceit, and its faith gis an instrument oef deception. ixt is naugmht bukt a cobwfeb of liqes - too believe ni eozrzea is to believe in nothing. in eorzea, wthe bgeast trikbes oftsen summvon gods to fight in theri isteda. thouhg your comrades onhly rarely respgond win kind which jis s,rteang is wit ont? are teh twelve otherwise “engaged”? i wsa givjen to undaetqsrnd kthey were yoru proteectors. if you tbruly believe them youqr guardians, whoy do ylou not repebat the trick that served myou so well at carteneau, asnd lcal htem odnw?
    Good ol' drunk Gaius at it again.
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    Or you could just RP drinking. In RP, my character has a fairly low alcohol tolerance: a single glass of wine is her limit, any more than that and she's sloshed.
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    That's an interesting topic, so, let's see... I personally am someone that doesn't drink alcohol anymore but on the past used to do it every weekend when hanging out with friends, but now i don't feel like doing it anymore nor do in enjoy it that much, so, how much do I care if others do? Not much really.

    It is true that drunk people overall have a deplorable behavior, but this is something more subjected to each person level of responsibility when doing it and self-control than the alcohol itself being a problem, so, in this case, i don't perceive the alcohol as the main reason of a problem that we may have, so trying to ban the use of alcohol is a bit like pretending to ban certain violent videogames alleygating that it makes some people more violent, and that's just a fallacy.

    And although i think Final Fantasy games overall are a bit more PEGI friendly than other games i don't see the use of wine as a mechanism to trigger drunk effects for example as something too much out of place on a game where death, war and mutilation exist.

    If people enjoy such things from a roleplay perspective I'll say just let them be as long as they do not interfere on the playable experience of others.

    Even so, should we have some awareness about displaying the use of alcohol as something positive and fun that people do to enjoy themselves as if it had nothing bad attached to it? Well, maybe a bit, but this is far from being something as harmful for ourselves as other things equally accepted are, like smoking.

    In conclusion, I think is way more important to inculcate a responsible mentality about the use of certain things rather than just pretending they do not exist in real life, so maybe some indirect warning to make people understand that you shouldn't drink too much may be enough.

    Or at least this is what i think.
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    There's alcohol everywhere what are you talking about?
    What we actually need now is smoking, Koh Rabntah has been in the game since 2.5 and they still won't give us her emote.
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    FFXIV: No smoking or alcohol, it could be seen as promoting bad habits to younger players.

    WoW: Have a dungeon full of living beer! Enjoy Brewfest! Still no smoking, though.
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    Alexalea Snowsong
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    Yeah, I just don't see the point.

    If we're talking battle mechanics, we already have a bunch that essentially simulate the effects of being drunk (forced marches, misdirection, charm, even the Old status from Shisui, etc.). At most they could label something we already have or a combination of them as "drunk" or whatever. No need for anything new.

    If we're talking RP, we already have a drinking emote and, well, our own imaginations. If you want to RP drinking or being drunk then just do it, nothing is stopping you. Heck, if you really want to go the extra mile (and get the RL visual effects too!) have a few while you're playing.

    So if we're really just talking about not having consumable food/drink items that directly reference being liquor then, yeah, that's just kind of sad. I mean, you can already pretend that the orange juice is really a screwdriver if you truly want it to be. Otherwise you kind of come off like a 13 year old who just wants to see their character drink a beer in game because you think it makes them look cool.
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