Please implement something to teach players how to play

[DPZ2]

Fun fact, Yoshi P has actually said he would like to introduce DPS meters in the game without the ban hammer if the playerbase was actually better.

The link provided was an English interpretation of a LiveLetter from 2017. Let's look at a LiveLetter from 2020, shall we?

"We won't be adding an official parser."

"It will turn everything toxic, we won't implement one. EVER."

(Well, a more direct translation provided in another attempt at translation in reference to 3rd party parsing tools is:

"Then speaking about this topic, we are told ‘’Then just implement in an official tool!’’, but like we are saying ‘’We WON’T implement it’’. THAT and THIS, is a completely different issue…. Yeah… They are different issues. It will definitely turn into a storm, most definitely it cannot be denied that it will turn into a storm. Though there are people who say, ‘’That won’t happen. It will be user choice and moderation’’, however, in PF’s, it will be there. ‘’Only people who can prove this number can join’’. It will absolutely be chaos."

Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FrGa1HJIVs
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...talking_about/

[raelgun]

The link provided was an English interpretation of a LiveLetter from 2017. Let's look at a LiveLetter from 2020, shall we?

"We won't be adding an official parser."

"It will turn everything toxic, we won't implement one. EVER."

(Well, a more direct translation provided in another attempt at translation in reference to 3rd party parsing tools is:

"Then speaking about this topic, we are told ‘’Then just implement in an official tool!’’, but like we are saying ‘’We WON’T implement it’’. THAT and THIS, is a completely different issue…. Yeah… They are different issues. It will definitely turn into a storm, most definitely it cannot be denied that it will turn into a storm. Though there are people who say, ‘’That won’t happen. It will be user choice and moderation’’, however, in PF’s, it will be there. ‘’Only people who can prove this number can join’’. It will absolutely be chaos."

Sources:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FrGa1HJIVs
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...talking_about/

And this changes the fact that Yoshi uses strong emphasis of 'Skill gap'?, that stance doesn't change in 3 years or ever really.

Fact is Yoshi P admitted that there is a lot of bad players in this game, also that interview in 2020 with his response is likely just repeating what hes been told to say.

Do you really think Yoshi P really thinks like that? when he him self admits to the skill gap - which is corporate speaking to say in a nice way theres a lot of bad players that is more then expected.

[ReynTime]

Pretty sure they don't feel pressured to consider that given their most passionate fanbase (JAPAN) doesn't need or miss having an official parser.

[raelgun]

Pretty sure they don't feel pressured to consider that given their most passionate fanbase (JAPAN) doesn't need or miss having an official parser.

Their raiders certainly use it, Yoshi P has shared a screenshot of a JP world first clear in a savage raid which literally had ACT running.

[Caurcas]

Yoshi also has been on record stating that they expect strong players to carry the weaker ones. That's not a healthy mind set.

[Shurrikhan]

Yoshi also has been on record stating that they expect strong players to carry the weaker ones. That's not a healthy mind set.

That depends on the extent of it, or what is meant by "carry" or "weaker".

For instance, are they truly "weaker" in some inherent/habitual sense, or just weaker in that particular fight because it's their first time? I have no issues carrying a player who is at least putting in the effort, or whose mistakes are fully understandable.

I imagine there are ways by which the translated quote's intent could remain within what is reasonable. Do I suspect that was, in fact, the intent... Not so much, but I doubt he was giving full license to grab others by the heel and insist on a tow.

The larger issue to me is that it slates any failure to learn or care to learn as solely a community problem, which just smacks of blaming your students for not understanding a poorly implemented lesson.

The link provided was an English interpretation of a LiveLetter from 2017. Let's look at a LiveLetter from 2020, shall we?

"We won't be adding an official parser."

"It will turn everything toxic, we won't implement one. EVER."

To be fair, he also seems to have little idea what he's talking about it regard to parsers, given the plethora of MMOs in which they have become normal in play and have ultimately reduced toxicity -- in its various forms of blame-tossing, finger-pointing, near-immediate disbandment upon a single or second failed run, or kicks on basis of suspicion alone, etc.

Pretty sure they don't feel pressured to consider that given their most passionate fanbase (JAPAN) doesn't need or miss having an official parser.

Why would you assume a whole community has less use for transparency or conveniently analyzable information? No. The JP side of things uses ACT plentifully, too. And, doubtless, FFlogs' analysis tools.

[Caurcas]

That depends on the extent of it, or what is meant by "carry" or "weaker".

For instance, are they truly "weaker" in some inherent/habitual sense, or just weaker in that particular fight because it's their first time? I have no issues carrying a player who is at least putting in the effort, or whose mistakes are fully understandable.

I imagine there are ways by which the translated quote's intent could remain within what is reasonable. Do I suspect that was, in fact, the intent... Not so much, but I doubt he was giving full license to grab others by the heel and insist on a tow.



To be fair, he also seems to have little idea what he's talking about it regard to parsers, else the plethora of MMOs if which they have become normal in play and have ultimately reduced toxicity -- in its various forms of blame-tossing, finger-pointing, near-immediate disbandment upon a single or second failed run, or kicks on basis of suspicion alone, etc.

If I recall correctly it was from an interview discussing fight design and possible harder 4 man content with Yoshi's response being that in 24 man and 8 man content personal responsibility is mitigated and those fights can by and large be carried off the backs of stronger players. This fear of shunting more responsibility onto players in harder 4 man content is why they are hesitant to produce that content.

[Pandie_Goodies]

As much as I like to agree on teaching people how to play the game in better ways. It's just the issue is there is plenty of it, it just comes down to two important aspects. Paying attention to what the game gives you and reading the stuff that pops up . Most of the time people don't do one, the other, or either. People would rather just play the game with no care in the world and want to go about it in their own way even if it becomes a deterrant for players that know everything about the game already or people that do pay attention to the game to know it better. It just comes down to trying to guide them as best as you can cause sometimes people just don't pay attention to alot of things. Heck I was pretty bad at paying attention myself at one point but I forced myself to step up so I can get better at the game, that and I got help.

I however think the biggest issue is alot of mentors actually not mentoring, people treat the burger king crown like a badge of bragging rights and don't actually help people, It's something I see countless times when there is obvious sprouts in need of learning things and they actually type in chat on what they are doing wrong and the mentors do nothing, or act like sprouts themselves. The issue is very prevelent when the entire community makes fun of people that are mentors as well because of that fact cause they ain't doing their dang job as a mentor.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I stopped reading at around page 16 like 4 days ago to come back…. almost 30 new pages o_O”

Ya’all on fire lmao.

Jokes aside, those ‘real bad apples’ that refuses to put in any modicum of effort are the sole reason I refuse to join any on-going party via roulette.

People leave for multiple possible reasons; sure they could be matched with an afk player, but when there’s a small chance that I’ll get paired with the ‘real bad apples’… no. I don’t have the capacity to deal with such f-ery in my limited gaming hour which I’m supposed to have fun in.

Not being receptive to advice while also contributing to make runs progressively inconvenient is the worst combination of traits I can find in a player, ever.

[Shurrikhan]

Jokes aside, those ‘real bad apples’ that refuses to put in any modicum of effort are the sole reason I refuse to join any on-going party via roulette.

People leave for multiple possible reasons; sure they could be matched with an afk player, but when there’s a small chance that I’ll get paired with the ‘real bad apples’… no. I don’t have the capacity to deal with such f-ery in my limited gaming hour which I’m supposed to have fun in.

I might do the same if I had no main alt I could just jump to after deserting if worse goes to worst. Given that, though, I don't like the idea that a group that just needed to replace a perma-d/c or got tired of being bullied around by their tank or finally had it with their princess healer or whatnot would take forever to refill just because of suspicion as to what might have led to the opening.

That said, I also rarely do DF within ~35 minutes of when I may be joining friends in a DF duty, just in case I random a hell run. Usually if there's at least one other person competent, though, I can get through it in a decent time. (Though, was also reported for just duoing the dungeon as a PLD with a competent NIN assisting, because the two who had been afk since before the first boss got locked out of the last boss fight... So that's a thing...)