Viera and Hrothgar Megathread

[Schwarzwind]

Sadly SE can not cater to everyones preferences. I would have liked 1 face with more "rough" options as well, but I can live with what we have. Face 4 was probably meant to be the more mature face.

Considering that Viera stop aging pretty early on and are meant to look similar to their female counterparts, it makes however totally sense that they do not really grow "old" or super manly. They are supposed to look young and agile. It would be strange to give them a bodybuilder look, wrinkles or super masculine faces. In my opinion they come close to boyish men in their early twenties which is totally fine with me. How they look also depends heavily on the hairstyle you pick. The shorter the younger they look.

[Juzjuzz]

It also doesn't mean that viera have to develop the same way real humans do (for example: growth spurts/males being taller than females/etc...), which they don't. And frankly, I'm happy about that because I personally think this is more interesting.

Both work in the lore that's all and i don't find it more interesting if only 1 side is avaidable.

[SturmChurro]

As I said, using lore as it suits you. You said it youreself: Lore was an excuse. The moment players demanded males they got males. Now it's the players' turn to use lore against other players who don't share their vision. If their appearance is accurate to their lore, their absence was accurate to their lore as well. How come they are playable now? If thousands of MViera can leave their forests, hundreds of them can have different appearances despite being indistingishible until puberty. Who knows what happens after that? Lore is lore and can be written however you want to make the players' experience better. Most people were just asking for an extra/different face option with said features and others are just like :"NO! Lore says no" Really? After all this time? The excuse is lore? And players are using it?

Technically, like others have said, the player character is an exception. It's not like there are really hundreds or thousands of male viera actually leaving the forest, it's just player character, and a potential handful of NPCs. Other player characters aren't really canon, specifically not racial distribution and population. However, when it comes to things like a playable Garlean, for example, this excuse is made for their exclusion. Even though, as others have stated, the player character is an exception.

[NessaWyvern]

This is what mine looks like:



Maybe not traditional, or western standards of masculine, but he does look like the usual final fantasy main character/villain in terms of facial features, so I think male Viera Aesthetic fit nicely in the game, as a Final Fantasy game.

Strong Yoshitaka Anamo artwork vibes with the other faces, too.

[Senn]

i don't find it more interesting if only 1 side is avaidable.

It's perfectly fine to have that opinion even though I disagree.

the player character is an exception.

Yeah, when it comes to culture and/or personality traits/backstory, not biology. You can't be a 6'0 lalafell because you are the warrior of light and are an exception to the norm. You can't remove au ra scales or the facial markings from male miqo'te because you're the protagonist. You can't be a garlean because they can't use magic as far as I'm aware. That's not to say I'm personally against having 6'0 lalafells, scaleless au ra, male miqo'te without their natural facial markings, or playable garleans. I think it would benefit everyone if we had more chartacter customization options in general.

[Ranhansha]

Don't know why you're so defensive. It's not like I was opposed to viera having a masculine facial option. Also, that comparison doesn't work. Male viera being playable still respects the lore. There's a valid story related reason why they are appearing now. Not only that, but the warrior of light (you as the player) has always been a unique exception. There will probably be a ton of people playing male viera, but those other players don't really "exist" in your story.

This is like asking to get rid of the facial marking from male miqo'te (which grows darker as they age if I remember correctly), wanting lalafell to be 6'0, or wanting the scales removed from au ra. It's in their biology to be the way that they are - just like it's viera biology to be kind of adrogynous. Personality traits and/or decisions a race makes can be flexible. A race's biology on the other hand? I don't know about that.

That being said, I am always for more character customization. I won't be against more face options, but as it stands right now, male viera doesn't seem to be for people who want a more masculine character.

Sorry if it sounded harsh or something, it wasn't specifically aimed at you. It was just the last comment I saw. I just think the lore excuse is absurd in this case and in this thread particularly. It is something which has been fought since the beginnning and now its something players are using against others so they don't get another option they don't like (which is most likely impossible now anyway) and that wouldn't affect them at all. I don't

I think something crazy, similar to making taller lalas would be removing Viera ears or miqo'tes' tails, but having a slightly different face is not that crazy. It's all about options.

I'm glad for those who got their perfect versions, but there's no need to crush those who are in the situation you were just two months ago. Just be more supportive and don't try to silence them or simply ignore them Seriously, no one is going to take anything from you, you already got your perfect Viera. I said it before, I'm not really that worried because I think I've found a character I'm going to enjoy, but I need to know more about headgear and hairstyles before 6.0. The thing is, before the benchmark, these threads used to be people interested in M-Viera and F-Hrothgar showing support with the occasional appearance of someone saying they shouldn't be included because "development time, other races, resources, lore, etc". However, now, it's the people in the thread using those excuses on players who were hoping for a varied customization. As I said, it's not you. I just feel the situation is not right.

[Ranhansha]

Technically, like others have said, the player character is an exception. It's not like there are really hundreds or thousands of male viera actually leaving the forest, it's just player character, and a potential handful of NPCs. Other player characters aren't really canon, specifically not racial distribution and population. However, when it comes to things like a playable Garlean, for example, this excuse is made for their exclusion. Even though, as others have stated, the player character is an exception.

I guess they won't just leave it all of a sudden, it will be more like " We have always been here" like with every other new race.
I think it's an exception for other players to be the WoL, but I don't think it's an exception for them to exist, since it's mentioned several times that you get help from your allies. So, even though other players might not be WoLs in your game, they are still there celebrating fetes, selling, crafting and gathering stuff for you and helping in your fights.
Garleans would be a bit more difficult since they cant manipulate aether iirc, so you would have to be a main gatherer/crafter, which I'm sure wouldn't be a problem for many players.

[SturmChurro]

It's perfectly fine to have that opinion even though I disagree.


Yeah, when it comes to culture and/or personality traits/backstory, not biology. You can't be a 6'0 lalafell because you are the warrior of light and are an exception to the norm. You can't remove au ra scales or the facial markings from male miqo'te because you're the protagonist. You can't be a garlean because they can't use magic as far as I'm aware. That's not to say I'm personally against having 6'0 lalafells, scaleless au ra, male miqo'te without their natural facial markings, or playable garleans. I think it would benefit everyone if we had more chartacter customization options in general.

Male viera, in my opinion, have plenty of time to develop masculine features as they hit puberty at about the same time as humans. I don't see anything in the lore that states they have to look as boyish as they do in-game, not to mention that doesn't account for the effect their way of life has on them - which I touched on in a previous post. I'd agree with some others here that they look a bit better in some of the art shown than their portrayal in-game.

I agree, more options would benefit everyone, unfortunately after playing with the character creator I can't say it really feels like they have many options. For example, it's like they have permanent mascara on. I shared a recent male viera creation of mine in the 'show your viera' thread, and he has no face paint at all, nor any other eyelash options. Yet it still looks like he has a mountain of mascara on. Male viera do even have extra eyelash options. Like they literally do their makeup everyday, while it's nice those are there for the people who wanted that, I would have liked other options such as stubble, scars, etc. A more rough face option even. The facial hair given seems quite out of place to me as well, and they look much better without it, in my opinion.

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I think a big problem with male viera is that their faces kind of lack definition. They are too smooth, or too soft. It's this in combination with their other features.

[Senn]

Sorry if it sounded harsh or something, it wasn't specifically aimed at you. It was just the last comment I saw. I just think the lore excuse is absurd in this case and in this thread particularly. It is something which has been fought since the beginnning and now its something players are using against others so they don't get another option they don't like (which is most likely impossible now anyway) and that wouldn't affect them at all. I don't

I think something crazy, similar to making taller lalas would be removing Viera ears or miqo'tes' tails, but having a slightly different face is not that crazy. It's all about options.

I'm glad for those who got their perfect versions, but there's no need to crush those who are in the situation you were just two months ago. Just be more supportive and don't try to silence them or simply ignore them Seriously, no one is going to take anything from you, you already got your perfect Viera. I said it before, I'm not really that worried because I think I've found a character I'm going to enjoy, but I need to know more about headgear and hairstyles before 6.0. The thing is, before the benchmark, these threads used to be people interested in M-Viera and F-Hrothgar showing support with the occasional appearance of someone saying they shouldn't be included because "development time, other races, resources, lore, etc". However, now, it's the people in the thread using those excuses on players who were hoping for a varied customization. As I said, it's not you. I just feel the situation is not right.

The thing is, each race has a unique trait(s) about them.
Lalafell: short, pointy ears
Roegadyn: big and buff
Miqo'te: males develop a marking on their face, cat ears/tail
Elezen: pointy ears & tall, long lifespan, slow aging
Au ra: scales & horns/tail, males taller than females
Hrothgar: beast
Hyur: normal human appearance

And for viera, their trait would be their ears, females taller than males, their androgynous appearance, long lifespan, and slow aging.

It seems clear, at least to me, that male viera are meant to be bishounen inspired. This is their racial trait. Like I mentioned before, I don't mind more character customization options. However, I don't think male viera were intended to be masculine.

I'm also not directing this at you by any means, but I find it ironic that the people who accused others of "hijacking" male viera before are now silent. What's the matter? Aren't you guys going to say how the people who want more masculine options or want them taller are hijacking male viera?

But yeah, no, I'm just messing around. I don't think you guys are hijacking anything. It's ok to request more options and I support you guys in doing so.

Male viera, in my opinion, have plenty of time to develop masculine features as they hit puberty at about the same time as humans. I don't see anything in the lore that states they have to look as boyish as they do in-game, not to mention that doesn't account for the effect their way of life has on them - which I touched on in a previous post. I'd agree with some others here that they look a bit better in some of the art shown than their portrayal in-game.

I agree, more options would benefit everyone, unfortunately after playing with the character creator I can't say it really feels like they have many options. For example, it's like they have permanent mascara on. I shared a recent male viera creation of mine in the 'show your viera' thread, and he has no face paint at all, nor any other eyelash options. Yet it still looks like he has a mountain of mascara on. By the way, male viera have extra eyelash options, like they literally do their makeup everyday, while it's nice those are there for the people who wanted that, I would have liked other options such as stubble, scars, etc. A more rough face option even. The facial hair given seems quite out of place to me as well, and they look much better without it, in my opinion.

I mean, lore doesn't state au ra have to have scales. They just do. I don't think it really needs to be written down. You can tell viera are meant to be pretty just by looking at them or seeing their character customization. They are meant to be the pretty race, but yeah... More customization is always good.

[NessaWyvern]

I think a big problem with male viera is that their faces kind of lack definition. They are too smooth, or too soft. It's this in combination with their other features.

Yeah, they do look a bit smooth. It's why I personally like Face 1 the most, as the feathers break up the smoothness, and you can put a scar over one of his eyes.