Open World PvP

[van_arn]

It's probably challenge for the low level players, so they should not fear being challenged in service of the fun of higher level players.

Understandably, some people would disagree, and thus would express their disagreement.

It is actually a lot of fun if you're lower leveled or undergeared. You need to be a lot more careful with what you plan and how you sneakily sneak around.

It also helps if you have some good friends, and a good guild is much more meaningful than just a chat channel. It's actually a very social type of gameplay.

That said, it's fine if you don't understand it. You don't have to play those games or join those servers.

[Fyrebrand]

So why did you (and others) roll on a PvP server in the first place?

Speaking from my own experience, World of Warcraft was my first MMORPG. I didn't really understand what the game was all about, just that all my friends were playing it and they wanted me to join them. I didn't know what a "PvE" versus a "PvP" server even was, I just knew what server my friends were on so I had to roll a character on that one. I knew there were two factions, Horde and Alliance, and the whole gimmick of the game was that those two sides were at war so I assumed players being able to freely kill each other was just a part of the game you couldn't opt out of. I played Horde, not because I wanted to, but because my friends played Horde. I played a Paladin because it seemed like some kind of armored fighter with a bit of magic, not because I knew I'd eventually get reluctantly shoehorned into my group's healer role (and be really bad at it).

I mean, there were definitely moments of the open-world PvP experience that were exciting. Those rare occasions when I'd have a rivalry with somebody of the opposing faction who was questing in the same area as me, and we'd kill each other back and forth when we could. Those times when we'd get a bit group together and try and raid an entire city and kill their leaders. When I'd see a high-level jerk ganking newbs and I'd swoop in to protect them and get revenge in their name. Just the perpetual sense of risk and danger, added a unique thrill to every moment out in the open. It certainly wasn't all bad. But one or two times where you're just trying to get quests done, and higher-level gangs of jerks perpetually hang around and kill you, and all the quest NPCs, and you basically can't get anything done or even play the game to any serious extent..? Yeah, that was quite enough of that. I've had my fill of those days, to last a lifetime. Whatever benefits there are to an open-PvP environment, I feel are vastly outweighed by the burdens and annoyances.

Many years later, after my friends and I had largely stopped playing WoW, I got a bit nostalgic and went back to the game to fool around on my own for a bit. That was when I actually got to choose a server, and lo and behold: "Wait, you can play on a NON-PVP SERVER!? WTF!? YES PLEASE!!!" Things went quite differently, when I had some past experiences under my belt and was finally able to make an informed decision for myself.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

"justification they make themselves to protect their world view" "scary movie they create for themselves"
What you say doesn't exist. It is fun. And it scares you. And you can resolve that with "turning pvp off" Which is the most probable way of implementation coming from what Yoshi himself said about this back in SB



I am to you what you are to me it won't ever go beyond that because of the nature of this topic. Which is just me saying what I said twice.

It doesnt scare me. I just don't enjoy it. Those are 2 very different things. Like I said, I played Lineage 2 for close to 7 years. There were no non-pvp servers in that game. PvP is't scary. But it can be very annoying, especially the way OP wants it implemented, which is what all of us are responding to.

[linayar]

It is actually a lot of fun if you're lower leveled or undergeared. You need to be a lot more careful with what you plan and how you sneakily sneak around.

It also helps if you have some good friends, and a good guild is much more meaningful than just a chat channel. It's actually a very social way of playing.

That said, it's fine if you don't understand it.

Oh, I understand perfectly the fun of being challenged, which is not what I'm responding to.

You don't have to play those games or join those servers.

I didn't. I play FFXIV.

I am to you what you are to me it won't ever go beyond that because of the nature of this topic. Which is just me saying what I said twice.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. If you have something to discuss, then feel free. If you think it's pointless, then feel free to disengage. Whichever option you choose, this thread, like the community that you say it defines, will provide you that choice. And others can freely choose to argue or not argue as well.

[Artemiz]

Making up buzzwords like "human lizard brain?"

Calling something fun is not a statement of fact, but a statement of opinion, which may be factually true for the one who says it, but does not exempt it from being the subject of an argument.

To be fair he didn't make it up, human lizard brain is a widely discredited evolutionary theory that was utterly discredited within about 5 minutes of it coming out, 50 years ago. But he said it was a fact so.... must be I guess.

[Fyrebrand]

FFXIV won't be for everyone, so I'd rather it be for me than not for me.

I completely agree with this. There have been accusations that some FFXIV players are "gatekeeping" or that so-called "toxic positivity" is causing people to pretend FFXIV is 100% perfect and that we don't need any new features or improvements. I'm sure that happens, but on the flip side FFXIV has carved its own niche and become very successful for being what it is -- we don't need to draw in every single player, and absorb every feature that other popular games have adopted. We need a game that knows what it's about and is exceptional at it without compromise -- being competitive does not have to mean desperately copying what every other game does. You don't beat World of Warcraft by trying to be World of Warcraft, because we already have one of those and it's already the winner of that competition.

There's a ton of buzz about Asmongold trying FFXIV, and he is more than welcome to try it. I honestly hope he enjoys the game. However, I also honestly don't think he will enjoy the game because it doesn't seem like it's his kind of thing. He cringes at the aesthetics and the music, he doesn't seem to be interested in story, and basically it seems like what he wants is just more hardcore WoW raiding. Should FFXIV change itself to be more in line with what he likes, just because he is a popular streamer with a lot of clout? I don't think so, and I doubt he'd think that either.

I would rather FFXIV be the best FFXIV and the best MMORPG, not the second-best WoW.

[SturmChurro]

As this game has PvP, I'd like to see it improved and further expanded (small scale PvP being added EW), and open world PvP could be a great addition to our PvP lineup. As they seem to like to experiment with casual content (Farmville come EW) and other things like Bozja, I don't see why this can't happen for PvP content too! I'd like FFXIV to be at it's best, and prove it's worth as the best mmorpg.

[van_arn]

I completely agree with this. There have been accusations that some FFXIV players are "gatekeeping" or that so-called "toxic positivity" is causing people to pretend FFXIV is 100% perfect and that we don't need any new features or improvements. I'm sure that happens, but on the flip side FFXIV has carved its own niche and become very successful for being what it is -- we don't need to draw in every single player, and absorb every feature that other popular games have adopted. We need a game that knows what it's about and is exceptional at it without compromise -- being competitive does not have to mean desperately copying what every other game does. You don't beat World of Warcraft by trying to be World of Warcraft, because we already have one of those and it's already the winner of that competition.

There's a ton of buzz about Asmongold trying FFXIV, and he is more than welcome to try it. I honestly hope he enjoys the game. However, I also honestly don't think he will enjoy the game because it doesn't seem like it's his kind of thing. He cringes at the aesthetics and the music, he doesn't seem to be interested in story, and basically it seems like what he wants is just more hardcore WoW raiding. Should FFXIV change itself to be more in line with what he likes, just because he is a popular streamer with a lot of clout? I don't think so, and I doubt he'd think that either.

I would rather FFXIV be the best FFXIV and the best MMORPG, not the second-best WoW.

It's silly to think someone with the experience of a decade in another game can't offer feedback that could improve this game. So yes, XIV should change itself to be more in line with what someone like that would think, carefully, because it should be the best game XIV can be for everyone and not just a very cordoned-off niche that has happened to find their perfect place.

That mentality of ignoring the outside world is what gave us the disaster of 1.0.

[linayar]

As they seem to like to experiment with casual content (Farmville come EW) and other things like Bozja, I don't see why this can't happen for PvP content too!

They said that's what they're doing with the new PVP mode for Endwalker.

It's silly to think someone with the experience of a decade in another game can't offer feedback that could improve this game. So yes, XIV should change itself to be more in line with what someone like that would think, carefully, because it should be the best game XIV can be for everyone and not just a very cordoned-off niche that has happened to find their perfect place.

That mentality of ignoring the outside world is what gave us the disaster of 1.0.

He can offer feedback, and it would be added to the ever growing list of feedback that the FFXIV devs have. That doesn't mean the devs should align the game to him.

[Eldevern]

This is really funny to see many comments for PVP using biaised arguments to uphold gank and GK.

As everyone know gank and GK is what make a game fun and successfull... And it doesn't lead to toxicity at all.