Giving Whm an identity

[Felien]

If you're okay with instantly being told to hold any complaints for 7.0.


That's... very optimistic.

Not at all, because Sage will change everything.

Now Whm can finally become a healing power house with Ast, and Sch with Sage the shield healers. Ast and Whm may suffer huge reworks in ther abilities or potencies.

Also is not very optimistic, they have already said that they will make this distintions on the game.

[Semirhage]

Now Whm can finally become a healing power house

*thousand yard stare*

Pure Healer Fantasy Guys.

[Felien]

*thousand yard stare*

Pure Healer Fantasy Guys.

They just need to make content that you actually needs to heal ppl.

Plus they remove the fun part of being a healer. (RIP CS)

DPS die because they took more dmg than they should? Sorry DPS mode was on and we need my dps to actually clear content, git gud days

[Semirhage]

They just need to make content that you actually needs to heal ppl.

Plus they remove the fun part of being a healer. (RIP CS)

DPS die because they took more dmg than they should? Sorry DPS mode was on and we need my dps to actually clear content, git gud days

We've been around this circle what feels like ten thousand times. If WHM is the mostest powerfulest healer of all the healers, what happens if you don't get a WHM in the party? You still need to clear. So AST will have to be able to comfortably cover that healing burden. So WHM's "advantage" is and shall always remain overhealing.

"Most powerful heals" Is. not. an. identity. It never has been, and it never will be. It's a direct contradiction to the design goal of making all standard comps viable. We told them this in Stormblood and Shadowbringers. And we were right.

[Liam_Harper]

Not at all, because Sage will change everything.

Now Whm can finally become a healing power house with Ast

You mean now WHM can finally be pushed aside entirely by AST. There will only be 1 Pure Heal spot.

WHM is not a healing powerhouse. All it has is Cure III plenary burst, which is irrelevant and overkill in any content. Outside of that it's inferior to AST in every way. Its GCD heals even cost more despite doing the same thing. It can't move. It can't weave properly. It brings no utility to the table.

There needs to be a huge rework but the developers have communicated nothing along those lines all expansion. No indication at all. The last we heard from them on reworks, they reduced Succor's mana cost and nerfed ED to "make us heal more", which is so out of touch with how SCH works in this game it's scary. That's the same team that have already completed a lot of 6.0 and likely nearly finished class design for the healers. Being optimistic with no proof and many concerns, is deluding yourself.

[Rilifane]

They just need to make content that you actually needs to heal ppl.

Plus they remove the fun part of being a healer. (RIP CS)

DPS die because they took more dmg than they should? Sorry DPS mode was on and we need my dps to actually clear content, git gud days

Being a healing powerhouse works in a game that has:
1) flexible party composition that is not further enforced by arbitary "targets two healers" mechanics
2) higher healer requirement in generel

FFXIV has neither.
Even IF the healing requirement is a higher at the start (something they've promised us over and over again without ever delivering), it will get much lower as gear gets better. What then? So WHM is supposed to only shine in early prog like RDM did in the 1st tier and then get ditched for something that's actually useful the moment that phase is over?

Healing powerhouse works in WoW where you're free to reduce healers anytime you notice they're starting to snipe each other. You first let them respec to something that's a bit more offensive and then you switch them for a dps. Problem solved. Happy nuking.
But you need to bring two healers here because pretty much every bossfight has at least one mechanic that targets healers specifically and gets redirected at random if there are no two healers alive. And "but then one healer can just dps more" doesn't work either because a decent AST or SCH already spends all their time dpsing - WHM wouldn't free up more room for dps as a "healing powerhouse", it would only be useless.

[Roeshel]

WHM is not a healing powerhouse.

What is a healing powerhouse? Like what is the definition of a healing powerhouse. If ast doesn't have the ability to overheal as much as a whm can you really call it a healing powerhouse? Set aside who can deal more dmg while healing, that quality becomes relevant only because healer's dps is valued in this game. Healer's dps is relevant because the devs made it relevant, not because it should be. It is just easier to force the healers to spam their one dps spell throughout the whole encounter instead of designing a fight that requires constant healing. If we had this type of healing maybe then stats like piety would have been valued more than crit and dh on healers.

[Liam_Harper]

The ability to deal damage while healing is definitely important. That's how the game is designed. Even if you bumped heal requirements significantly, you can't make it so hard the average player can no longer beat the content during progression. Which means better healers in coordinated groups using full mitigation in BiS would still end up dealing damage at least half the time. Unlike games such as WoW which have larger groups and can be flexible with healer ratios as they progress, we're locked to 2 healers in 8 man groups. There's no point in looking at "should be's" when evaluating a healer in the current game design.

Overheal is 100% worthless. It does nothing. If it's via GCD or cost heal tax, it's lost damage and detrimental.

The ability to burst heal sufficiently for any content is also important. WHM can do so fairly well, but so can all healers, so WHM doesn't become a "powerhouse" in that regard. AST's Neutral Sect for example turns Diurnal AspHelios into 1140 potency (or 540 upfront) from a single GCD and lasts twice as long as Thin Air/Plenary with wider range. Not to mention Star, Horo Helios and all their oGCD's. Every healer can throw out more than enough healing for any situation.

[GrimGale]

WHM strongest personal/selfish DPS pure healer
AST strongest raid/support DPS pure healer
SGE strongest personal/selfish DPS shield healer
SCH strongest raid/support DPS shield healer.

There, space for everyone.

[Raikai]

WHM strongest personal/selfish DPS pure healer
AST strongest raid/support DPS pure healer
SGE strongest personal/selfish DPS shield healer
SCH strongest raid/support DPS shield healer.

There, space for everyone.

Basically, this.

But seriously, WHM needs something other than just 'immense powerful overhealing', because it's literally useless in any serious group... And equally useless in normal random queues. In the latter, if people are taking so much damage that this overhealing turns out to be actually useful, then it's more likely it is a failed run anyway.