Apartments need Rent

[Catstab]

We're 10 days in and OP has not yet come forward saying this was a ruse, a joke, a tool to "start conversation" as some of their other posts have claimed to be after the community universally pans the suggestion within.

Is it possible the OP actually thinks there is merit in this idea?

[Besame]

We're 10 days in and OP has not yet come forward saying this was a ruse, a joke, a tool to "start conversation" as some of their other posts have claimed to be after the community universally pans the suggestion within.

Is it possible the OP actually thinks there is merit in this idea?

Well in all honesty, you all are enabling their folly be it trollishness or serious lol.

[ItMe]

Some of the comments in this thread smell like people are just looking to harass OP. Please everyone, I don't care if you think another member of this forum deserves to be treated poorly, let's try and be civil.

[MilkieTea]

Some of the comments in this thread smell like people are just looking to harass OP. Please everyone, I don't care if you think another member of this forum deserves to be treated poorly, let's try and be civil.

This. As much as I disagree with their idea and as much as I dislike how they've been talking to me, I'd very much appreciate it (and I'm sure others in this thread would too) if everyone tries to remain civil and respectful. There's no reason to nag or harass the OP. It's an idea. That's all.

[Catstab]

I don't see anyone being less than civil. If by chance you mean my asking if OP intends to change this suggestion to a joke, my reason for asking is that they have done it before.

Either way, the relo housing mechanic needs to go.

Edit:
And because we have some posters on the forum that can't figure this out, I'm playing devil's advocate to start a discussion in this post.

That meaning-changing edit coming a week later. So this post would have different timing, but could likewise be non-serious.

[Almagnus1]

1) they aggressively attack people who worked to get what they got and

With how housing work before the housing markets were killed off, it was extremely easy for someone to just throw millions of gil at the problem and get a house. I'm wondering if it would be possible for SE to run the housing market and fix that.

Oh, and if you have more than one personal house, or are using shell FCs to have additional houses, you are part of the problem here. Whether you want to admit it or not, people that do have exploited SE's loose rules and they should release their ill gotten gains so that others can join in... as that would definitely help make the system more new player friendly by increasing supply on the market.

2) they'd be extremely punishing to new players and fcs which is sort of going against the idea of what you're trying to help propose solutions for.

The only way for this system to become new player friendly is to either increase the number of wards by a multiple of at least 10 (if not higher) or add in instanced housing. Until either happens, new players into this system are going to be greatly punished.

Well in all honesty, you all are enabling their folly be it trollishness or serious lol.

I mean, they keep trying to "kill the troll" when the reality is they're keeping the discussion going even if all they are doing is adding white noise to the conversation. The funny part is that this particular Karen is realizing that their worst nightmare is coming true... I'm actually being serious with exploring ideas and while some of them may be hyperbolic... a lot of the productive conversation that occurs when they aren't here is generally interesting.

Provided someone doesn't start dredging up the past because that never ends well >.>

[Catstab]

they should release their ill gotten gains

You've got to drop the idea that legitimately gained in-game rewards are "ill gotten."

Your own personal problem with multi house owners doesn't make their gameplay against the rules. Their gains are simply gotten. There is no "ill" about it, that is your false perception.

[Almagnus1]

You've got to drop the idea that legitimately gained in-game rewards are "ill gotten."

Your own personal problem with multi house owners doesn't make their gameplay against the rules. Their gains are simply gotten. There is no "ill" about it, that is your false perception.

And you've got to accept that I have opinions you don't like... or perhaps you're one of these players with ill gotten gains and don't like the truth being pointed out?

[Kenky]

And you've got to accept that I have opinions you don't like... or perhaps you're one of these players with ill gotten gains and don't like the truth being pointed out?

The problem here between you and Catstab is complicated.

While Catstab is correct and nothing was obtained through "ill-gotten" means and is entirely by the rules at the time, that doesn't mean it's okay to own multiples of a limited resource. But none of us are in the right position to judge and condemn others for what they choose to do. So long as they use what they have then we can't complain about them having it.

it could certainly be made better with certain choices, but making players have to pay "rent" on an apartment only makes apartments less desirable, completely invalidating the point to the gil-sink mentality. Adding rent to houses would kill the desire for plenty of house-owners and all of the people that have houses probably are pretty well-off gil-wise, so it would need to be a large "rent sum" in order to make them consider relinquishing. Which has one of two end results. Either only the super-wealthy (and bots) own the houses, or every ward becomes a ghost town because nobody wants to pay 3M+ on a small, only to be charged an extra 50K+ every month to keep it.

(Exaggerated numbers, but you get the point)

[Almagnus1]

The problem here between you and Catstab is complicated.

No it's not, they hate me and hate anything I have to say and will make their disdain abundantly clear.

While Catstab is correct and nothing was obtained through "ill-gotten" means and is entirely by the rules at the time, that doesn't mean it's okay to own multiples of a limited resource. But none of us are in the right position to judge and condemn others for what they choose to do. So long as they use what they have then we can't complain about them having it.

**looks at social media** This is the internet, anyone can (and will) complain about anything. Even when it may not make much sense. =)

it could certainly be made better with certain choices, but making players have to pay "rent" on an apartment only makes apartments less desirable, completely invalidating the point to the gil-sink mentality. Adding rent to houses would kill the desire for plenty of house-owners and all of the people that have houses probably are pretty well-off gil-wise, so it would need to be a large "rent sum" in order to make them consider relinquishing. Which has one of two end results. Either only the super-wealthy (and bots) own the houses, or every ward becomes a ghost town because nobody wants to pay 3M+ on a small, only to be charged an extra 50K+ every month to keep it.

(Exaggerated numbers, but you get the point)

Thing of it is.... we've already shown that the 10k/week is trivially doable which means that 50k/month is as well... so all you're really doing is a knee jerk reaction to "it's another expense". Whatever the housing rent would be set at, it'd have to be a weekly expense but the expense should be set at like half the median (or mean) weekly gil generation of a a service account with at least one level 80 disciple of war or disciple of magic. I'm suggesting half (and a higher percentage) as to not make the theoretical average player house poor. Should SE charge rent on houses then the initial price of the house should also be reduced with the difference being converted to rent and whatever the leftover amount is mailed to the player as a refund.

Look at it this way, it's the difference in revenue stream between FFXIV and FFXV or FFXIII and how it can make sense to put the FFXIV base game on sale as SE really doesn't make THAT much on the FFXIV base game compared to what they make for the subs, especially when you look at the cost for the sub across an entire expansion compared to average package. While there will be a few that will get the collectors edition with all the things, that only only equals about 50% of the sub income for that expansion cycle AT BEST.