About damage essences in Delubrum/Dalriada

[technole]

I'd say the issue there was mostly the players themselves skill wise, not their essences or even the low dps. My last Dalriada run was filled to the brim with WHMs which, while they can do respectable dps with essences, weren't putting out large enough numbers to help things along in a timely fashion. As to whether they were all using essences I can't really say. I just know they were there. It was semi slow going, but it got finished. Dalriada is super forgiving.

Of course. People already having bad rotations isn't going to make things much better with a damage essence, and then add things like raise sickness and it's even worse. You can almost think of these raid dungeons could be equal to a slow DF expert roulette with a few bad players and then amplify that x 20 perhaps.

Healers using Templar essences at the minimum usually puts them above most average red DPS in damage. I feel there is no reason to run defensive essences as a healer in DR or Dal unless they are tanking, and since you got other actions and skills to boost defense.

[Mavrias]

I've slammed my head against plenty of long grinds in RPG's, the caveat being there was always a carrot at the end. SE just didn't bother with the carrot on this one; you're literally just spending 10 minutes to save 1.

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case, and now I'm just watching people flail with responses like: "Dude ur wrong! I'm not going to address anything you just explained or provide any logic; I'm just gonna say ur wrong and sprinkle in words like leech and lazy because I need to sound confident to distract from the fact that I'm not saying anything! Holy lmao dude!"

Youre the guy going on rants about how the devs are lazy and manipulative because you dont like bozja content and everyone who is enjoying essences and lost actions are lemmings or sheep.

You might wanna go outside and touch some grass, instead of faffing around in content you clearly resent.

[TaleraRistain]

I'm not knocking them, they're fine weapons and I do actually enjoy DR. The grind doesn't bother me, and even though I'm not going to use the visuals for 'em it's one of those little MMO ticks, you know? Fill up the bar. Get the thing. It's fun.

But yeah functionally the weapons are useless. Heck they don't even do anything in the most recent content, NOR any of the most difficult content in the game. They're for epeening measuring contests with logs -- long, LONG after the log race has been over -- or glam/endwalker prep.

Aren't the final ones 535? That's better than tome weapons. These weren't intended to be useful in difficult content. This was the non-raider version of an endgame weapon. There are plenty of people who will be using these for more than just glamour.

[lezard21]

I've walked you all through the technicals of why that's the case,

What technicals? The "using essence only saves 1 minute" number that you pulled out of your hat? How did you verify and prove this?

my using an essence doesn't affect what the other 23 people do, it only affects my output.

Essence? Yes, it only affects your output.

But Lost Actions can affect the output of the rest of the raid, immensely, particularly Lost Rend Armor. 2 people out of 24 can keep it constantly up if they alternate uses, the equivalent of constant Trick Attack upkeep, which is huge. I was just in a pug DR where I was the only one using Rend Armor and the Queen died in less than 5 minutes, with party having suboptimal essences like Beast and Bloodsucker.

And there are no excuses why people don't carry it now with the nerf to fragments cost. Literally 10 minutes of killing magitek in a party for 10~ clusters can net you 4-6 Lost Rend Armor, and the other times you are getting Pure Essence of the Duelist which is better than Skirmisher, and can be combined with Honored Sacrifice for more DPS with no penalty.

There is no "grind" excuse anymore to be a freeloader.

[technole]

Aren't the final ones 535? That's better than tome weapons. These weren't intended to be useful in difficult content. This was the non-raider version of an endgame weapon. There are plenty of people who will be using these for more than just glamour.

Actually raiders want the Resistance relic too, since the custom 3rd stat makes it BiS for all ultimates in the game.

[Tlamila]

gee I don't check for a day and it goes 5 pages of useless fights.
Ok so, again I see the point against essences cause expensive and consumables and rng and yadda yadda (I use them myself but if others don't eh), but those people who don't wanna use essences for those reasons, are you at least grinding honors? Cause those are not RNG and permanent and increase your damage loads. Every time I see a rank 25 without them, or even someone who refuses to get to 25 for them I cry. I wouldn't ask anybody to spend time or money for consumables, but for a permanent boost, not doing that is grieving imho. And it saddens me that people are all about essences and then go in without valor.

[Nethereal]

gee I don't check for a day and it goes 5 pages of useless fights.
Ok so, again I see the point against essences cause expensive and consumables and rng and yadda yadda (I use them myself but if others don't eh), but those people who don't wanna use essences for those reasons, are you at least grinding honors? Cause those are not RNG and permanent and increase your damage loads. Every time I see a rank 25 without them, or even someone who refuses to get to 25 for them I cry. I wouldn't ask anybody to spend time or money for consumables, but for a permanent boost, not doing that is grieving imho. And it saddens me that people are all about essences and then go in without valor.

Well I already know what the response to this would be "Does this get done while I'm doing my relic farm?"

[Kaurhz]

gee I don't check for a day and it goes 5 pages of useless fights.
Ok so, again I see the point against essences cause expensive and consumables and rng and yadda yadda (I use them myself but if others don't eh), but those people who don't wanna use essences for those reasons, are you at least grinding honors? Cause those are not RNG and permanent and increase your damage loads. Every time I see a rank 25 without them, or even someone who refuses to get to 25 for them I cry. I wouldn't ask anybody to spend time or money for consumables, but for a permanent boost, not doing that is grieving imho. And it saddens me that people are all about essences and then go in without valor.

If people aren't going out of their way to even bother grinding or using essences I can guarantee you they aren't going out of their way to grind valor. Whether the buffs are permanent or not, and whether the drops of the essence are RNG or not. you can get essence a damn sight faster than you can valor. If people aren't spending mettle that's 1 thing, but expecting people to grind out valor, and trying to see the point of not grinding essence in that same vein is comedic

[Tlamila]

If people aren't going out of their way to even bother grinding or using essences I can guarantee you they aren't going out of their way to grind valor. Whether the buffs are permanent or not, and whether the drops of the essence are RNG or not. you can get essence a damn sight faster than you can valor. If people aren't spending mettle that's 1 thing, but expecting people to grind out valor, and trying to see the point of not grinding essence in that same vein is comedic

The being permanent is a huge difference though. You're gonna have to grind/buy essences the whole time you're doing relics, one or more per run of anything you run, idk if anyone ever did the math but I certainly don't want to. The time to farm that all (or the time to farm the money to buy it) is way more than grinding valor takes. , unless you're only doing one relic or something.

[Kaurhz]

The being permanent is a huge difference though. You're gonna have to grind/buy essences the whole time you're doing relics, one or more per run of anything you run, idk if anyone ever did the math but I certainly don't want to. The time to farm that all (or the time to farm the money to buy it) is way more than grinding valor takes. , unless you're only doing one relic or something.

The whole it being permanent is a big enticement, which is why you should spend the mettle if you have it - But I don't think it's feasible for people to go out of their way to grind it, especially when you can get any damage boosting essence a lot faster than you otherwise can get the valor, and that is taking into account sufficient essences for the number of Delubrum runs you'd be doing, which is upwards to 128 runs.

I can at least say that doing CLL is just as good as doing the 24 man ARR raids, and you don't get from one castrum to the next instantly. The time between castrum runs is time you can spend joining a cluster farm group, or a farm for skill frags to get Martialist/Aetherweaver, and given how many clusters it is for a fragment now you can get a lot more than you're predicting between Castrum runs. People seem to be under the impression that farming essences take millennia; when it doesn't if you at least exercise the brain a little.

I'm not saying they fall from the sky or anything, nor do I really defend the scaling DR to essence use because I disagree with that approach vehemently after seeing how the majority of the community has taken to it. - But people are seriously overestimating the effort/time needed to get essences. Even in bulk